Consoles Suck Ass

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  1. smallpau1

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    Do you have GTA 4? No, STFU!
     
  2. xlink

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    anyone who plays RTSes and needs around 30 different "buttons" in order to properly coordinate a few thousand units

    except it's usually around £300-400, games are cheaper and online is usually free and you can do... a lot of other stuff on top of that. let's face ti most people buy a new computer as it is once every 4 years... if not mroe frequently. why not just spend an extra £100 and make it a solid gaming system as well.

    probably but they SHOULD still learn given the fact that such knowledge is becoming needed to be productive in society.


    the only reason to get a console is for the games on it, or for some of the extra features it might have. that's an undeniable fact. you buy a platform to play games. You should be buying the one with the games and features which best suit you, and that DOES vary from person to person, I'll say a lot of people uneededly undercut PC gaming, but it's far from perfect in itself. That said go to places like Xtremesystems. there are people there who spents thousands of dollars on the latest hardware to benchmark it for contest... and some of them are console gamers.
     
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    probably but they SHOULD still learn given the fact that such knowledge is becoming needed to be productive in society.

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    Umm, NO. You just made that up. Try again, or provide a citation. You have the burden of proof.


    Also smallpau1 the PC will more than likely have GTA4 within 8 months. So yeah.... one game isn't justification to buy a system.


    I'm not going to address SamuelDeuter's posts as they are very, very weak trolling attempts.

    Seriously, you need to work on your tact if you're going to try to piss people off (which is obviously what you're trying to accomplish).
     
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    All I have to say is that I have both and like them both because if I want either experience than I take my time and enjoy it so shut up lol
     
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    That was my point Hilsee, the PC takes a year to receive games that consoles get first. By that time, everyone's playing a different game for every gaming rig (console and PC) already. I used to play Counter-Strike > XBOX 360. But because of needing to constantly upgrade my rig, i got tired of doing it to be able to play that next new game, seemed like every new game that came out, i needed a new f---in video card.
     
  6. SamuelDeuter

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    This is very much false, computers have way more games than consoles... a good console has what like 100 games? computers most def have over 10,000 games. (If not that more, because all games that come out for a computer will be able to be used forever unlike a console where you have very little back compatibility, when computers have almost 100% back compatibility.

    Many people want keyboards instead, for RTSes you need a keyboard, for mmorpgs you need key boards. most games you need keyboards.
    Since when did you need to know about RAM to play games? Your computer will come with it build in if you don't custom build your computer, but that costs more, but I doubt that, you wouldn't be able to find some computer freak who would do it for you, or pay less for him it do it. Btw RAM is simple to upgrade compared to anything, not being able to learn to install ram is about as stupid as not being able to use google..
    Overall you will save more money with a PC and have infinitely more uses..

    I don't have it because it sucks, I have seen people play it and I have played it myself, the only reason I think it sucks is because I have played GTA3 (Which is godlike) and GTA4 sucked ass in comparison.. GB2Terrable games..

    probably but they SHOULD still learn given the fact that such knowledge is becoming needed to be productive in society.
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    Umm, NO. You just made that up. Try again, or provide a citation. You have the burden of proof.


    Also smallpau1 the PC will more than likely have GTA4 within 8 months. So yeah.... one game isn't justification to buy a system.


    I'm not going to address SamuelDeuter's posts as they are very, very weak trolling attempts.

    Seriously, you need to work on your tact if you're going to try to piss people off (which is obviously what you're trying to accomplish).
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    You don't need citations for common sense.. Anyone who has a brain knows that computers are becoming more and more important.
    Computer technology is advancing at extreme rates. Apparently you didn't read my post were I linked Moore's Law.
    Right now almost any type of Engineering job you use computers, and at least 25% of all other jobs have something to do with computers.

    So what? We get ----ty console games a year after consoles get them? I could care less. And it takes how long for consoles to get PC games? Oh wait they never release them for consoles, because those companies aren't willing to ruin their products..

    If you needed to upgrade every single time it most likely wasn't the GFX card, you need to get other stuff, you might say well how am I supposed to know what to get? well you don't need to know, you can have someone else know for you, I bet xlink would be glad to help you...
     
  7. Red Alert

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    It depends on the game to me. I would rather play a FPS like COD4 on a PC rather a console just doesnt feel right to me. MMORPG ,RTS better on the PC. Games like Madden,fighting games better on the console. The PC side of gaming is dying, more money to be made on the console side as far as software makers go . The lack of or slow support of PC is obvious an example of this is COD4. The map pack for console came out like 2 months ago for PC it came out unofficially today. The patches for PC games are alot slower to come out than they use to. It maybe true that it sucks for "PC gamers" but nothing you can really do just gotta deal with it. When the time comes when all consoles are similar to something like this PC gaming will be basicially over.
     
  8. xlink

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    probably but they SHOULD still learn given the fact that such knowledge is becoming needed to be productive in society.

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    Umm, NO. You just made that up. Try again, or provide a citation. You have the burden of proof.


    Also smallpau1 the PC will more than likely have GTA4 within 8 months. So yeah.... one game isn't justification to buy a system.


    I'm not going to address SamuelDeuter's posts as they are very, very weak trolling attempts.

    Seriously, you need to work on your tact if you're going to try to piss people off (which is obviously what you're trying to accomplish).
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    explain to me how you can be fully productive in a technology centric society if you know nothing about the tools you're using?
    no reference is necessary, it's common sense. you don't have to be an expert on everything, you don't need to know how many ALUs a CPU has, their clock speed etc, but you should know that an arithmetic logic unit, does stuff related to arithmetic and you should know what a CPU is, you should know that memory stores data for fast use, you should know that a monitor displays things.

    if you insist on a reference - my parents are technologically incompetent. They either end up paying someone a few hundred dollars for something that takes seconds, or they end up dragging me over. you need to have a basic understanding of computers and other electronics to be a competent person within society, again you don't need to know every little thing, but the basics are a must.

    and I have no clue if PCs will get GTA4, and quite rankly I don't care myself. as said, one game isn't a sufficient reason to get an entire system. It's all about bang/$ maximizing your enjoyment for a given amount and having more than one platform competing drives the industry and gives US the consumer the better product.

    as a counter example to your COD4 argument, CNC3 has had 9 patches PC side and 0 patches 360 side. (though this is EA we're talking about)
    though it's an RTS and as we all know, the additional input capabilities of a keyboard and the ability to really manipulate maps puts it ahead intrinsically.
     
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    Your post seemed interesting until I got to this point.

    Now your post is just went from "seemly interesting" to "ignorant, contradicting yet interesting" post.

    I believe there is absolutely NO reason to NOT like GTA4. (apart from the violence, drugs, guns, language.)

    and if you think GTA 3 is better, you're certainly not as smart as I thought.
    GTA 4 is better than GTA 3 in every aspect possible. (apart from the radio and story, they're just a matter of opinion.)

    However, hating a game because the previous game was better is just plain ridiculous.
    I can't believe "we" got you arguing on "our" side of the pc vs console debate.

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    I'm not going to quote it but...

    You can't just play the common sense card.

    You said "such knowledge [of being able to distinguish between RAM and monitor] is becoming needed to be productive in society".

    I disagree. Now, you can provide some evidence for your claim, or you can keep repeating yourself until someone believes you.

    Either way, It's my belief that you can easily be well off in numerous, numerous, numerous (well-paying) jobs without even knowing WHAT RAM IS. THAT is common sense. (See what I did there?)

    Anyways, if you'd like to provide some evidence or statistics (That you didn't make up), I'd love to see them. But since I know you won't, I'll go ahead and tell you I'm not going to bother adressing any more of your posts in depth without it.

    You can't just make stuff up and play the "IT'S COMMON SENESEEEE DURRRRRRR" card.
     
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    you take things in too literal a sense. I was referring to technology in general

    hence why I said "such" instead of "that"
     
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    Either way, my post stands.

    You can easily get a job without being able to do the things that the original "can't distinguish between ram and monitor" poster was saying.

    And looka dar, you didn't have any evidence. Surprise, surprise.
     
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    if you plan on running your own business, that's not a possibility. Again I'm not talking of advanced knowledge I'm talking of knowledge lesser than that required to graduate from most high schools, heck most middle schools.
    most blue collar job requires at least some reasonable knowledge of computers as well

    unless your definition of a job is ditch digging or window washing chances are your prospects at getting a real job would likely be a bit lesser than if you had a reasonable grasp on technology. Care to argue the point? It's highly improbably that you'd be a ----- athlete, and if your intellectual capacitance is so low that you're one who literally "doesnt know RAM from his pc moniter" well...

    if I made a thread, and titled it "does one need a minimal deal of knowledge on technology to be competent and competitive in the work force" what do you think everyone would say?

    don't fool yourself.

    as for my evidence
    GO TO GOOGLE. TYPE IN "JOB LISTINGS"
    go to one of more or less any company's website's and go to the job application area and check the requirements.
    don't be so naive.

    name one that is accessible to the masses, the lower 99% of people within society who aren't CEOs or celebrities. Most everything requires a degree. What are you going to do? deep see diver? contractor? you can't do those jobs for more than a decade or two and they're hardly pleasant. Perhaps a trash truck driver... There aren't really enjoy jobs out there, aside form those, which you can get into that'd give you enough income to save and generate a retirement(don't plan on a soon to be bankrupt social security fund) do you want to be eating cat food when you're 80?
    I can't think of a decent, well paying job that doesn't require you to have some sort of a grasp, even if it's minimal, on society's current technology. In the 50s I think it's safe to say tha everyone knew that microwaves worked by firing rays at food, it shouldn't be any different to day saying that memory stores data and that a display displays data. Then again I come from a family of integrated-circuit engineers, chemical engineers, communications specialists and the like.

    works both ways. how long did it take for WiC to come out console side?
    also, console gamers tend to sell their consoles to get the next generation of console. how is that any different than a PC gamer, selling their old video card for $30 and tossing $150 at RAM and a video card every 3 years. Some would argue that the advances in technology are what makes PC gaming shine.look at half life 2, people were playing halo when that came out and half life 2 is a leap above in technology, the source engine is still relevant today(think orange box) PC gaming had that quality of work back when people were wowing at the abomination which was farcry for xbox. look at crysis. a $500 PC can max it out and have it play better than GTA4 ona PS3. and unlike the PS3 you can do... so much more.

    if you don't game much, or you want a platform that allows for multiplayer gaming off of one unit, consoles win. If you want cutting edge, they can't compete. each side has it's pros and cons. I'll disagree with SD in the sense that consoles suck, they don't, but here and today they are, for me, not the ultimate in gaming, when a fairly solid gaming PC goes for not much more than a fully fledged PS3 or 360, has cheaper games, and can be used for more things. Heck I can play... console games on my computer. any PS1 game I can play, any n64 game I can play, any gameboy game I can play. PS2 and xbox1 games are getting there too as far as emulation is concerned. why should I have to have $2000 worth of consoles hanging around and taking up space when I can simply use one machine to play the games from them all, AND at higher quality settings?

    I was a console gamer when io was 13 and 14, back when I thought it was futile to spend a lot of money on a soon to be obsoleted computer. that was before I knew that it was hard to make a system yourself and that in the end the cost difference isn't much different unless you're at the VERY cutting edge(which is stupid)

    and FYI while i"m typing this I'm alt+tabbing in and out of a game(I'm in the lobby waiting for people), I have music on, and a variety of other things going on. you can't alt+tab console side.
     
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    I believe there is absolutely NO reason to NOT like GTA4. (apart from the violence, drugs, guns, language.)

    and if you think GTA 3 is better, you're certainly not as smart as I thought.
    GTA 4 is better than GTA 3 in every aspect possible. (apart from the radio and story, they're just a matter of opinion.)

    However, hating a game because the previous game was better is just plain ridiculous.
    I can't believe "we" got you arguing on "our" side of the pc vs console debate.

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    Hmm I could have explained this part better, in fact, it doesn't really help my argument a lot if you haven't seen it in action. But I'll give you an example of what it is like at my school:
    Ignorant Person #1: Yo brah I just gota deh GTA IV <--- Side note, half of the ignorant people at my school don't say 4, they say I - V (like EYE VEE, wtf?)
    Ignorant Person #2: Crazy dawg Lemme cum over at ur house (yea they say it like that) maybe deh have duh coffeeee coop bitch in deh shot...
    Ignorant Person #1: Kay C jah lutter buhg

    Emo Person #1(The Wannabe Gamer): EL OH EL, OH EM GEEE, GTA4 FTW (pronounced fewtwuhwun, wtf thats so retarded...)
    Emo Person #2: OMG (pronounced AHEMGAGE, when they talk like this i wanna blow my brains out w/ a gun...) GTA FOAR? We should play that some time Ftw (pronounced retardedly again), Ima go smoke some cigarettes and listen to green day OMG (AGEMGAGE) I needs more eye shadow
    Emo Person #1: (I cant even do the reply it hurts my brain to much...

    Ignorant Person #1: YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!!
    Ignorant Person #2: Bush has poopoo for brains (I don't think hes a good pres, but cmon this bush bashing is so ------ing over used and retarded its not even funny...)OBAMA IS A TERRORIST.
    Ignorant Person #1: I agree; YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! YAY HILLARY!!! Btw you know that I got grand theft auto four (they both walk away in their don't bother me I'm gaming tees.. btw this is when hillary was doomed)

    Hilsee... I have a story for you... There was once this kid with a total douche bag father that pissed him off all the time and made him do totally ill-relevant ----... That kid is me... When I was 13 my dad made me fix/replace all of the plumbing in the house and all the gass in the house, I installed a water heater tons of piping for sewage and fresh water. I know how to make drip ends and all times of thing, in fact I know how to sauder pipes. with the torch and everything.. The whole nine yards. I also had to replace quite of wires for lights and etc. Trust me, Its unbelievable how much I didn't know about that when I started to do the work and how much I had to learn. Right now if my houses alarm went off for a gass leak I wouldn't call the police or the fire department, I would turn off the alarm open some windows get out a cup with water and soap go down to the basement find the leak then I cut out the piece of pipe with a saw cut another section of spare pipe which my family always has handy get some fittings, dry fit it then clean it and cement it then wait for it to cure then bleed the lines and put some more soapy water on to see if it was still leaking.. then I would go back upstairs close the windows and go back to bed. When the average household would run outside and sit on the lawn until someone came to save them...

    Now Hilsee, my story is very common(just on as extreme), if you go into someones house you will find out that they have done some of their own work on it, and if you ask them the difference between a pipe and a tin of flux they would know... Why because they will have had some experience working on their own house...

    And with how computers are coming along now-a-days we are gonna see that same story but replaced with monitor and RAM.

    Because people are cheap... They know that they can save a lot of money by just learning how to do it themselfs and doing it.

    I mean it can cost you thousands of dollars for ---- you can do yourself.

    Experts usually cost 100 dollars just to come out and say its broken or not, let alone fix it...

    Now onto the our evidence is laking part of everything you say...

    In this situation its hard to provide evidence..

    and for one, its not even a lack of evidence...

    Its you just ignoring totally valid points and saying OH MY GOD ITS NOT QUOTED FROM WIKIPEDIA, ITS NOOT TROO (which makes no sense at all because anyone can quote wikipedia)


    Edit: Xlink posted some good points, I'll talk and add on more to that later...
     
  15. dalecyt

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    look its not going to be settled
    samuel just going to keep going on that you need computers to live and that there the best for gaming and stuff when really he has no proof to say that consoles suck that his preference

    btw you dont need knowledge on how to fit ram and stuff to live in modern day,trust me
    my dad doesnt know how to turn a computer off and i would say hes done pretty excellent in life so far
     

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