Will America Ever Fall?

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  1. .Apocalypse

    .Apocalypse Well-Known Member

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    We might not be the best superpower but we wont be taken down, And china does have alot of people and such but their way of government is lacking
     
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    1- Then dont call them loony liberals and all that ----.

    2- Some do, but I still say the war was full of ----. Bush flip-flops also. In 2001 he said Saddam had no WMD then 2003 he was all over Saddam crying WMD while the UN took a look and found nothing. Althoust 3 years, 2000+ deaths found the same result. Kerry was a bad choice, Dean or Edwards would have been better.

    3- Problem. Bush is the president of America, not the World. He thinks hes on the ----ing crusades and has forsaken America itself. He has absolutely no sympathy for the soldiers of America, especially when he yells phrases like "Bring 'Em On" and "I will only accept Complete and Total Victory." Bush has no idea what hes doing. Look, Saddam was evil, but yelling WMD and uranium is too much. He should have stayed with the fact that was true, Saddam was evil. Then I would have considered being for the war.

    And technically, we do fall under the definition of terrorist.

    Terrorism: Using Fear and Violence to achieve Political Goals. Case in Point? The "Shock and Awe" campaign, which was the beginning of the Iraq conflict, to put in place a "Democracy."
     
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    Very nice point templar

    Bill clinton for the win?
     
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    So with your definition, any country that wins a war is a terrorist?

    Never in History did Bush say that Suddam didn't have WMD's, again you are pulling ---- outta your ass by stating false claims. We went to war because he was evil and possibly a threat. Wanna know what? There are PLENTY of evil people in this world, most of which pose barely any threat. An evil person with WMD's or even something like Mustard Gas is enough reason to go to war and take them out of power.

    So you said that the fact that he was evil was enough reason for you to agree with the war? And so we gave an ADDITIONAL reason, and all of a sudden you are against it? How does that work? One good reason = good, two good reasons=bad? Explain the math or logic please?
     
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    russia has never fallen..... its the longest standing empire in history, no one ahs vere defeated them(the only people to make them 'fall' was them selves) . and i can see why.

    napleon couldnt defeat them, hitler couldn't, there is a couple of more ppl who invaded them but io cant remver :P

    and its ahrd to say if usa will fall, the reson places like britain fell is because we owned half the world. the same for italy really. and the main reason britain fell is because you had people like the people who made usa, and plagues, and little things like that, briuatin could not sustain that many countrys.
     
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    imo sudam isn't that bad compared to the USA (goverment that is), ok you might say he murderd 200 kurds, but thats because they tryed to assasinate him.

    america have done alot worse, you say that you didn't use chemical wepons but yet there has been clear evidance that white fosiace has been used, and that usa have been torturing people.

    also usa have been holding people at gwontonamo bay without trail for aboiut 2 years now.

    and look at iraq now, its a mess when sadam was in power there was no trouble.
     
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    Who gave u.s the right to take them out of power? why does not china take them out of power? Because they have enough problems of their own and that is why china has no dept and is thriving
     
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    Who gave u.s the right to take them out of power? why does not china take them out of power? Because they have enough problems of their own and that is why china has no dept and is thriving [/b][/quote]
    yeh good point china is a much greater threat to the world, they even threatend to attack america, the other week they poluted a river with a deadly chemical, they have nuc weps and the world knows it.
     
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    yeh good point china is a much greater threat to the world, they even threatend to attack america, the other week they poluted a river with a deadly chemical, they have nuc weps and the world knows it. [/b][/quote]
    i never said anything about taking over china :wacko:
     
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    i never said anything about taking over china :wacko: [/b][/quote]
    i did, and the reason there thrieving is because there population is sooo high, and they pay workers pennys, and the fact that it is a comunist country, makes it worse.
     
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    There are flights daily leaving the US bound for many destinations, you are free to leave when you like.

    USA will never fall, to many other countries depend on us, as we depend on other countires.

    Proud to be an American/Texan. [/b][/quote]
    Unless his/her parents arent lettinh hime/her then there not free to leave.
     
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    I think so i think china will start a war...
    but i hope Europa get the power...
    i live their :D
     
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    ye i live in the uk, and i hope that china doesnt start a war, and i hope EU dont get power, with great power comes great responsability.
     
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    Mostly all the super powers have fallen because of one thing. Greed. Their empires grew to large to maintain, their borders were invaded, rebellions started etc. America has none of these problems.

    Sure, China seems better, but think about it. Their population is growing. It is OVER 1 billion people, and that is not good. Poverty is to the extreme in china. They are not advancing when it comes to science, military and the likes to keep up with the US or Britain. China will not overtake America in the near furture. It is just that simple.

    Oh, shneaky, I think you need to read up abit. Yes, there are plenty of 'evil' people in the world. You want to know who is one of the main ones? The Israeli Government. You should read up on them, they are quite the assholes. And you know what? Guess who supplies them with their bombers, tanks, guns and missles that they slaughter thousands of palestinians with? The US! Good job. We are helping a Terrorist Country. Face it, our hands are covered in blood as well.
     
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    Taking history right now, I see all this great civilizations fall after a few hundred years. Thinking about that, USA has only been around for a few hundred years. This may be a lot yes but it's comparable to the great civilizations like Rome, Greece, Incas, Mayans, ect. Whose to say that we are any different?
     

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