What If... God Didn't Exist?

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  1. ferret

    ferret Well-Known Member

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    And the fact that many of those with an evolutionist standpoint in this thread do the same thing, only instead of brushing off evolution they brush off the existence of a god?
     
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    XxCarbinexX Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing wrong with him brushing it off because he doesn't believe in it. Saying that to him would make just as much sense as him telling you "You just brush of God because it conflicts with your 'evolution' theory."
     
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    Im not going to get into a big fight with any of you about "God" or "Gods" but I believe in god and im a faithfull and trustworty christian. You are all entitled to your own opinions but nothing anyone should say sjould say your view point. Just my opinion.
     
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    facts are just more reliable than a fairytale imo.
     
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    It may be fairytale to you but a fact to others ;)
     
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    Who said I brush of god. I believe in a higher power but I also believe in sciences. In times of weakness I pray to a higher power etc...
     
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    So Reg. You Claim There Is A Higher Power Whom You Pray Too Correct? So Do You Think He Listens? Yes or No?
     
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    People deny his existence everyday.. it is truly dissapointing.

    Why is it easier to be somebody's friend opposed to their enemy?
    Why is it easier to defend being considerate and helpful versus greedy and spiteful?
    Why is it that you're happier when you are nice to people, when you don't commit adultery, hurt and destroy others..

    The Bible gave us commandments to not only serve God but to help each other out, because it makes us happier it makes life easier.

    That is good enough for me to believe but there is so much more.

    But as to the topic at hand, if God didn't exist, then I wouldn't either.
     
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    I hope there is someone listening otherwise it is a waste of time. Although I don't do it often and only when it is a last resort. I kinda believe in both :wacko: .
     
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    The Koran? That's Lies In The First Place, Why Would You Put Information That Would Want Us Christians & Jews DEad? Anyone Who Is Not Of The Islamic Faith? Seems Nice Right? Wrong. God Said To Love Your Nieghboor As Yourself.

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    God Doesn't Listen To Sinners.

    "We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will."

    He Listens To Those Who Follow His Word, And Who Want To Be Forgiven Of All Sin And To Be Saved.
     
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    Harsh passages indeed however let me quote a long passage from a discussion with Quran quotes i found :

    Hate is not good for any person. I want to assure you that we Muslims also do not hate non-Muslims, be they Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist or followers of any religion or no religion. Our religion does not allow killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. The life of all human beings is sacrosanct according to the teachings of the Qur’an and the guidance of our blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and upon all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah).

    The Qur’an says about the prohibition of murder, (…Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.) (Al-An`am 6: 151) and Allah says in the Qur’an, (Nor take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)) (Al-Israa’ 17: 33). According to the Qur’an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity. (See Al-Ma’idah 5: 32)

    However, your question is valid, then how come the Qur’an says, (kill them wherever you find them…) as it is mentioned in Surah Al-Baqarah 2: 191 and Surah An-Nisaa’ 4: 89. The answer is simple and that is, you should read these verses in their textual and historical context. You should read the whole verse and it is better that you read few verses before and few after. Read the full text and see what is said:

    (Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.) (Al-Baqarah 2: 190-194)

    For your second quotation also read the full text:

    Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.

    It is important that we study the religious texts in their proper context. When these texts are not read in their proper textual and historical contexts they are manipulated and distorted. It is true that some Muslims manipulate these verses for their own goals. But this is not only with Islamic texts, it is also true with the texts of other religions. I can quote dozens of verses from the Bible which seem very violent, if taken out from their historical context. These Biblical texts have been used by many violent Jewish and Christian groups. Crusaders used them against Muslims and Jews. Nazis used them against Jews. Recently Serbian Christians used them against Bosnian Muslims. Zionists are using them regularly against Palestinians.

    I am a Muslim .. killing someone without reasoning is great sinning as explained above ... The illusion is that the passages have been manipulated by people that the meaning is destroyed there and then

    Anyways il stop now ... busy ;)

    DARKSTAR
     
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    Why is it easier to be somebody's friend opposed to their enemy?
    nope its easier to be someones enemy

    Why is it easier to defend being considerate and helpful versus greedy and spiteful?
    umm i defend considerate and spiteful the same way ...

    Why is it that you're happier when you are nice to people, when you don't commit adultery, hurt and destroy others..
    LMAO at this one i feel happier destroying stuff la
     
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    Nothing wrong with Islam. It's all in how some people interpret it.
     
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    well, i'm atheist, so that explains what i'd say. the figure "god" would just be something for people to believe in to explain what science hasn't been able to discover/explain yet. either way, i don't care what people believe in. i just don't let people dictate to me what humans wrote in a book and call it fact.
     
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