What If... God Didn't Exist?

Flag · May 13, 2007 at 3:08 PM

Originally posted by Pheym@May 12 2007, 03:26 PM
if he didnt exist then this wouldnt be here

although i dont believe he exists in the first place

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That is where the Big Bang theory comes in. It allows people to believe there is not a god. Personally I believe more in science than anything else.

ferret · May 13, 2007 at 3:44 PM

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and I bet you think white's are the supreme race and the only ones going to heaven, and black ppl are the mark of kaine. Oh yea your a fool my friend and your not a christian if you believe just because ppl are doing exactally what god gave us the right to do by questioning humanized religion.

It's a very good thing to question everything because if we are sent here to be on the quest for a higher knowledge how are supposed to gain knowledge without questioning? Some have found evidence that strays them away from your belief and you have the balls to say something like that? yeah your a tolerant pre-pubecent that needs to sit back and let the adults talk while you try not to cry with the binky in your mouth.

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Where did race come in? Rather generalizing of you...

Also, got any of this proof/evidence that strays away from his belief?

A post like that has no place in this debate. Sit back and let the adults talk while you try not to cry with the bottle in your mouth.

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You know what ferret your too easy and you obviously don't get what I meant so I am not going to even start with you. How f'king ignorant do you have to be to cast judgement on ppl like he did? when you haven't the right to and if you think you do then quit being christian cause you just sh!t on the word of god. *judge and ye be judged* humans have not the right to judge but the right to seek justice.

In the statement made by him he totally spits on the words of the bible by what he's saying and it pisses me off cause it doesn't contribute to the bigger picture it only gives others cause to stray their beliefs.

SO STFU FERRET CAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO INTERPRET THE SITUATION

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Did I ever once in that post condone what he said? "How f---ing ignorant do you have to be" to stick words in my mouth and then have the balls to call me stupid? Everything in that post was directed at what you said, not his (I'd have replied to that if I wanted to talk about his post). Can't take a little criticism? Weren't you the guy that just said that we have a God-given right to question things?

You made some pretty racist statements and were called on them. Got a problem with that? Do yourself a favor and leave this (General Discussion) section.

And by the way, you're on the same level. You judged:

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and your not a christian if you believe just because ppl are doing exactally what god gave us the right to do by questioning humanized religion.
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yeah your a tolerant pre-pubecent that needs to sit back and let the adults talk while you try not to cry with the binky in your mouth.
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So, yes, you are definately qualified to lecture the rest of us on what the Bible says, and you are definately the standard that we should hold ourselves to. Good on you, keep it up (f---ing hypocrite--who are you to wave your finger? Control your mouth, and get out of fourth grade and realize that your word should not be taken as gospel, and that people will disagree with you).

Fargo2003 · May 13, 2007 at 4:48 PM

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Originally posted by .Register@May 12 2007, 09:49 PM
ROFL if you literally interpret the bible then it is legal for me to own a black person.

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uhh I havent read the bible (not my religion) .. but care to show your proof/evidence?

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LOL I will get a whole thing... Not to critisize religions but it is pretty funny. BTW I am a Muslim....

Dono... maybe if you wanted to know.

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Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative: Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them: When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted fan, Jim

I am sure that it is wrong in some places but it is pretty funny.

ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT PUTTING DOWN RELIGION. Just fueling the topic.

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I would be more happy if you didn't post this. This is directly towards Christianity. Please stop.

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@May 12 2007, 03:26 PM
if he didnt exist then this wouldnt be here

although i dont believe he exists in the first place

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That is where the Big Bang theory comes in. It allows people to believe there is not a god. Personally I believe more in science than anything else.

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So you believe in Man more then God? jw..

JuiceFox · May 13, 2007 at 4:54 PM

Hi im new

ferret · May 13, 2007 at 5:27 PM

Originally posted by .Register@May 13 2007, 11:52 AM

Before we begin, I'll start by making sure that you *do* realize that Levitical law is followed (to the letter) pretty much only by the Orthodox Jews in today's day and time.

You said that "...if you literally interpret the bible then it is legal for me to own a black person," implying that as Christians, we are able to do this. Leviticus (along with the other four books of the Pentitude [first five books of the Bible, which also make up the Torah]) is more of a record of Israel/the world's early history, including their laws, the Ten Commandments, the exodus from Egypt, and so on and so forth. Most Jews, even, don't follow these laws literally anymore.

BUT, since you said the Bible, I'll give you the Christian version of these laws. As stated before, they are a history book if you will. Christianity promotes things like equality, treating your neighbor (those around you) as you would yourself, and isn't real big on things like racism and favoritism.

On the issue of slavery, the only reason that it even gets a mention is because Rome (and most other cultures at the time) practiced it. Among other things, slavery is discouraged. Also, why did you even bring up race?

LOL I will get a whole thing... Not to critisize religions but it is pretty funny. BTW I am a Muslim....

Dono... maybe if you wanted to know.

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Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative: Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them: When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted fan, Jim

I am sure that it is wrong in some places but it is pretty funny.

ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT PUTTING DOWN RELIGION. Just fueling the topic. (more like fueling the fire--this didn't need to be posted in the way that it was)

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and I bet you think white's are the supreme race and the only ones going to heaven, and black ppl are the mark of kaine. Oh yea your a fool my friend and your not a christian if you believe just because ppl are doing exactally what god gave us the right to do by questioning humanized religion.

It's a very good thing to question everything because if we are sent here to be on the quest for a higher knowledge how are supposed to gain knowledge without questioning? Some have found evidence that strays them away from your belief and you have the balls to say something like that? yeah your a tolerant pre-pubecent that needs to sit back and let the adults talk while you try not to cry with the binky in your mouth.

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Where did race come in? Rather generalizing of you...

Also, got any of this proof/evidence that strays away from his belief?

A post like that has no place in this debate. Sit back and let the adults talk while you try not to cry with the bottle in your mouth.

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You know what ferret your too easy and you obviously don't get what I meant so I am not going to even start with you. How f'king ignorant do you have to be to cast judgement on ppl like he did? when you haven't the right to and if you think you do then quit being christian cause you just sh!t on the word of god. *judge and ye be judged* humans have not the right to judge but the right to seek justice.

In the statement made by him he totally spits on the words of the bible by what he's saying and it pisses me off cause it doesn't contribute to the bigger picture it only gives others cause to stray their beliefs.

SO STFU FERRET CAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO INTERPRET THE SITUATION

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Did I ever once in that post condone what he said? "How f---ing ignorant do you have to be" to stick words in my mouth and then have the balls to call me stupid? Everything in that post was directed at what you said, not his (I'd have replied to that if I wanted to talk about his post). Can't take a little criticism? Weren't you the guy that just said that we have a God-given right to question things?

You made some pretty racist statements and were called on them. Got a problem with that? Do yourself a favor and leave this (General Discussion) section.

And by the way, you're on the same level. You judged:

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Oh yea your a fool my friend
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and your not a christian if you believe just because ppl are doing exactally what god gave us the right to do by questioning humanized religion.
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yeah your a tolerant pre-pubecent that needs to sit back and let the adults talk while you try not to cry with the binky in your mouth.
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So, yes, you are definately qualified to lecture the rest of us on what the Bible says, and you are definately the standard that we should hold ourselves to. Good on you, keep it up (f---ing hypocrite--who are you to wave your finger? Control your mouth, and get out of fourth grade and realize that your word should not be taken as gospel, and that people will disagree with you).

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once again you didn't even read it, I was implying that he could be a racial ------ I am a S.H.A.R.P. skin heads against racial predjudice so don't ever assume and call me a racist EVER. In fact it's my group that keeps the nazi's in utah at bay so don't say I was being racist read the motherfker and interpret it you dumbass

oh yeah and the statement I made is actual facts from the bible as interpreted by radical christians that I think are stupid as I was implying he's a christian radical..... kind of like the KKK

only radical christians would believe that they are the only ones going to heaven.... look at the mormons

Fargo2003 · May 13, 2007 at 9:26 PM

Mormons aren't Christians. Even thought they claim to be.

bluefalcon_ad · May 13, 2007 at 9:35 PM

Galione, you're racist.

Why, you ask? Well why not?

ferret · May 13, 2007 at 9:56 PM

Originally posted by Galione@May 13 2007, 07:44 PM
once again you didn't even read it, I was implying that he could be a racial ------ I am a S.H.A.R.P. skin heads against racial predjudice so don't ever assume and call me a racist EVER. In fact it's my group that keeps the nazi's in utah at bay so don't say I was being racist read the motherfker and interpret it you dumbass

He said nothing about blacks or slavery for the matter. You popped off with "yeah well I bet you think you can own blacks." Race had no part in his post. Yours did. The way you phrased it, it comes off as either "I'm a generalizing/Christianophobic little ----" or "I'm a racist little ----." Take your pick.

For one of the SHARP crowd, you make an awful lot of generalizations.

oh yeah and the statement I made is actual facts from the bible as interpreted by radical christians that I think are stupid as I was implying he's a christian radical..... kind of like the KKK

Verse reference, please. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we, as Christians, may enslave blacks (or any other race) based on the fact that they are (race). The entire New Testament condemns it, actually. Leviticus and a few other books mention it because it was a fact of life at the time.

For someone that brings up "actual facts," you sure like to cite your sources.

only radical christians would believe that they are the only ones going to heaven.... look at the mormons

Mormonism is, by definition, a cult of Christianity. Reason(s):

- Over 600 changes were made to the Bible (the Bible's meaning [what these changes do] should never be changed)
- Another book (or other thing--the Book of Mormon in this case) is at/above the same level as the Bible regarding a holy book (no book or other thing should ever hold the 'holiness' of the Bible)
- Mormons consider themselves the "only true 'Christians--"big, flashing light goes off when you see a small sect say that "we're the only true (people)." No different than these "radical Christians" you speak of, actually.

Doesn't mean that they're not good people--the Mormons I know personally are great people, it just means that, by definition, their religion is a cult of Christianity.

Also: puffing your chest out and calling everybody that disagrees with you an idiot only serves to make you look like one. You can knock off the "look at how big I am" speech now.

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once again you didn't even read it, I was implying that he could be a racial ------ I am a S.H.A.R.P. skin heads against racial predjudice so don't ever assume and call me a racist EVER. In fact it's my group that keeps the nazi's in utah at bay so don't say I was being racist read the motherfker and interpret it you dumbass

He said nothing about blacks or slavery for the matter. You popped off with "yeah well I bet you think you can own blacks." Race had no part in his post. Yours did. The way you phrased it, it comes off as either "I'm a generalizing/Christianophobic little ----" or "I'm a racist little ----." Take your pick.

For one of the SHARP crowd, you make an awful lot of generalizations.

oh yeah and the statement I made is actual facts from the bible as interpreted by radical christians that I think are stupid as I was implying he's a christian radical..... kind of like the KKK

Verse reference, please. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we, as Christians, may enslave blacks (or any other race) based on the fact that they are (race). The entire New Testament condemns it, actually. Leviticus and a few other books mention it because it was a fact of life at the time.

For someone that brings up "actual facts," you sure like to cite your sources.

only radical christians would believe that they are the only ones going to heaven.... look at the mormons

Mormonism is, by definition, a cult of Christianity. Reason(s):

- Over 600 changes were made to the Bible (the Bible's meaning [what these changes do] should never be changed)
- Another book (or other thing--the Book of Mormon in this case) is at/above the same level as the Bible regarding a holy book (no book or other thing should ever hold the 'holiness' of the Bible)
- Mormons consider themselves the "only true 'Christians--"big, flashing light goes off when you see a small sect say that "we're the only true (people)." No different than these "radical Christians" you speak of, actually.

Doesn't mean that they're not good people--the Mormons I know personally are great people, it just means that, by definition, their religion is a cult of Christianity.

Also: puffing your chest out and calling everybody that disagrees with you an idiot only serves to make you look like one. You can knock off the "look at how big I am" speech now.

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your last response there answers your second question of citation. Christian radicals have perverted their interpretation of the bible and go on about they are the only ones going in the highest kingdom of heaven and in the book of mormon which they consider a second bible it clearly states that those of white skin are of the highest amongst the 12 tribes of the world put here by god himself. I am annoyed cause all of these christian radicals believe that mormons being of the highest of radicals. And you wonder why I went to the extreme measure of implication towards the guy?

sorry but can't help it if I think they are worthless

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once again you didn't even read it, I was implying that he could be a racial ------ I am a S.H.A.R.P. skin heads against racial predjudice so don't ever assume and call me a racist EVER. In fact it's my group that keeps the nazi's in utah at bay so don't say I was being racist read the motherfker and interpret it you dumbass

He said nothing about blacks or slavery for the matter. You popped off with "yeah well I bet you think you can own blacks." Race had no part in his post. Yours did. The way you phrased it, it comes off as either "I'm a generalizing/Christianophobic little ----" or "I'm a racist little ----." Take your pick.

For one of the SHARP crowd, you make an awful lot of generalizations.

oh yeah and the statement I made is actual facts from the bible as interpreted by radical christians that I think are stupid as I was implying he's a christian radical..... kind of like the KKK

Verse reference, please. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we, as Christians, may enslave blacks (or any other race) based on the fact that they are (race). The entire New Testament condemns it, actually. Leviticus and a few other books mention it because it was a fact of life at the time.

For someone that brings up "actual facts," you sure like to cite your sources.

only radical christians would believe that they are the only ones going to heaven.... look at the mormons

Mormonism is, by definition, a cult of Christianity. Reason(s):

- Over 600 changes were made to the Bible (the Bible's meaning [what these changes do] should never be changed)
- Another book (or other thing--the Book of Mormon in this case) is at/above the same level as the Bible regarding a holy book (no book or other thing should ever hold the 'holiness' of the Bible)
- Mormons consider themselves the "only true 'Christians--"big, flashing light goes off when you see a small sect say that "we're the only true (people)." No different than these "radical Christians" you speak of, actually.

Doesn't mean that they're not good people--the Mormons I know personally are great people, it just means that, by definition, their religion is a cult of Christianity.

Also: puffing your chest out and calling everybody that disagrees with you an idiot only serves to make you look like one. You can knock off the "look at how big I am" speech now.

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your last response there answers your second question of citation. Christian radicals have perverted their interpretation of the bible and go on about they are the only ones going in the highest kingdom of heaven and in the book of mormon which they consider a second bible it clearly states that those of white skin are of the highest amongst the 12 tribes of the world put here by god himself. I am annoyed cause all of these christian radicals believe that mormons being of the highest of radicals. And you wonder why I went to the extreme measure of implication towards the guy?

sorry but can't help it if I think they are worthless

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Or the bible was written in a time when most of these values were true and is now Kinda-out-of-date.

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So you believe in Man more then God? jw..

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Like I said i believe more in science and evolution is a theory of these sciences. So I guess technically I believe more in man than science.

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Like I said i believe more in science and evolution is a theory of these sciences. So I guess technically I believe more in man than science.

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Why do you depend on man?

ferret · May 14, 2007 at 7:16 AM

Originally posted by Galione@May 14 2007, 12:05 AM
your last response there answers your second question of citation. How so? I just explained that I believe Mormons are a cult of Christianity, NOT that they were Christians--I don't think they are. Show me where it says that in the Bible. Not the Mormon Bible or the Book of Mormon, the Bible. Christian radicals have perverted their interpretation of the bible and go on about they are the only ones going in the highest kingdom of heaven and in the book of mormon which they consider a second bible it clearly states that those of white skin are of the highest amongst the 12 tribes of the world put here by god himself. I am annoyed cause all of these christian radicals believe that mormons being of the highest of radicals. And you wonder why I went to the extreme measure of implication towards the guy? No, I wonder what you're trying to say. Everything between here and my last remark makes little if any sense. Mormons may believe that. Christians do not. For the matter, I have yet to see a church that thinks that only (race) can be Christian. Care to show one?

sorry but can't help it if I think they are worthless

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.PROpel · May 14, 2007 at 7:38 AM

banned. - dementia

Agrias · May 14, 2007 at 10:40 AM

For me personaly, i would live my live exactly the same as I do now... I'm christian, but in this society, religion is far behind.
I never think about 'God' or my religious position in this world... me is me... and if God is the cause of that, I'll thanks him alot t make me health and, happy

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