This Site Is Just Not The Same...

Morv · Jul 23, 2006 at 4:02 PM

Yeah i going to have to agree..

certain members just make this site so :censored:

but then again, i still love the majority of members

Renagade · Jul 23, 2006 at 4:03 PM

Andrew you are amazing.

Scooby.05 · Jul 23, 2006 at 5:02 PM

Originally posted by Renagade@Jul 23 2006, 04:03 PM
Andrew you are amazing.

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Agreed. Pretty much said everything I was going to after reading over a few things, but I'd just look like a douche.

GigªByte · Jul 23, 2006 at 5:56 PM

go be emo on a emo board

Renagade · Jul 23, 2006 at 6:10 PM

Originally posted by GigªByte@Jul 23 2006, 04:56 PM
go be emo on a emo board

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Who would you be calling emo?

EDIT: GigªByte I see you want to be banned.

Wish granted.

Andrew · Jul 23, 2006 at 7:46 PM

Originally posted by BFTP@Jul 23 2006, 04:22 AM
I was gone because of personal issues when this topic was posted, and throughout most of its life. I came across it earlier tonight, and began reading - I've read all 23 pages, and have a few things to say.

Llamaman(Joe) was an amazing Adminstrator. He was younger, mature, and very clear headed - there is no doubt about that. What he created is amazing here. He sold it because just as GameRenders is moving away from what people remember it as, he is moving on in his educational-life.

When shaggy first became part of GameRenders, I thought fresh blood would be good for the community, and I was right in some regards. Shaggy has introduced new competitions, new staff members, and listened to a bulk of the members in most regards. He has not been very active lately, and I get frustrated; but thats expected with his new baby and other commitments.

Blazeman, Dementia, and others seem disappointed in how the selection of staff was done; especially in the case of SwAT & LogicalyImpaired. Let me give you a little GameRenders history:

The first Global Moderator was sensi, followed by sD-Dark. Sensi was hired by Nedstar, who was a temporary Adminstrator as Llamaman had surgery. He was very good friends with sensi, and sD-Dark - which is what got them the job. Later on, Guinness70 was hired because of his tremendous work to GameRenders and to make it better. The stuff he did to GameRenders is still used today, everyday. From Cool3d, to Sig of the Week rules. Guinness70 make recommendations on who else should be hired as Global Moderator, and a team began to be born. bratzer, Gez, Bona Fide, Flamesy(Trance), Gyabusa(G72), and GIOTEC were all hired based on Guinness70's recommendations. These members, known for one or two things, were not well known to a bulk of the GameRender members. I recall when G72 was announced as a Global Moderator, people asked who the heck this guy was!

A bulk of these global moderators who were hired stepped down for various reasons, or were removed/retired because of inactivity. Before they left, they made recommendations for staff - and alot of the current Global Moderators were hired. I was recommended by sensi, Guinness70, Bona Fide, G72, and GIOTEC. blackfuse, Girly, 4nub1s, HydrogeN, and Renagade were hired based on the recommendations of Bona Fide and myself, and a few other loose recommendations of other active Global Moderators.

The point I am trying to make is the most active members of the board are those who have to moderate it a bulk of the time. They will not be the most active in terms of posting, but the behind the scenes work is amazingly large. Before recent additions of the Scammers & Rippers/Rep Abuse forums, I personally had to answer over 75 PMs a day, and can only imagine how many my fellow global moderators & the adminstrators received. Staff members are chosen based on their activity on the forum, commitment to the website(often no personal website before being hired), maturity level, reputation, and how they have responded to incidents in the past. Logicaly & SwAT are good friends of mine, I will not try to gloat is in any other way...as in Marforce, even if he is canadian! If I am such a bad person to get advice from, how come Logicaly, SwAT, and Marforce do such an excellent job at their new positions?

We have to create rules that think of the interest of a bulk of the active members, all the inactive members, and all the future members here. In this case, such rules as no steam accounts, tutorial selling, and other rules come into play because of past activities of your fellow peers. I personally love buying steam accounts and have NEVER had an issue - but because of members in the past, they are now blocked.

Throughout this topic I see references of: members receiving favoritism, Global Moderators being unfair, Blazeman whining about not receiving a staff spot, shaggy advertising his sites or other sites for money, members leaving, and how GameRenders is going downhill(which is also the name of the topic).

Favoritism is not shown to anyone in my opinion. It may seem like that in some cases, but rarely does the normal members see both sides of every situation. A member being banned for rudeness or advertising a 'joke' website may seem quite unfair. Does a normal member see the 80% warning, know of the responses between staff members and this member, or the fact he/she has been suspended on numerous other cases? We are volunteers and do not see every post, topic, remark, IM, PM, or signature/avatar. We rely on what we can see when we are on, and what members report to us.

Global Moderators will always be deemed unfair by those who have been suspended, warned, banned, or had a friend in the same position. This is allowing personal experiences to step into your opinion, and making you bias towards that staff member. We enforce the rules, and thats never a favorite position.

Blazeman, sense you opened and responded to this case of worms, I am going to tell you some of my opinions and observations: the same opinions and observations that had Renagade, Girly, 4nub1s, HydrogeN, logicaly, and SwAT hired. Your rude, and power hungry. Your the main reason why reputation is useless on this website because of your continuous reputation abuse. You are not mature, your grammar sucks, and you were given a chance as a staff member - you received it because you sucked up to BiG Dave, and were not qualified to be an IRC Moderator. You were hired the same way Logicaly, SwAT, and Marforce were hired - they turned out to be good choices, you did not. After that, GameRenders went downhill for you. You decided to make your own site, and pay people to post there. Apex is your mouthpiece, and the only reason he despises myself and other staff members is because he listens to your bull---- stories.

Shaggy owns GameRenders, and may advertise whatever he wishes on here. It may piss off some members, yes - but Llamaman did it just as much as shaggy has, did anyone complain then? Nope. The mass email was a mistake, and will not happen again(shaggy's words).

Members will always leave; some will return, others wll not. Their reasons could be for alot of things, or something small and mute. As for members like Kazuya and Jay being a postive impact to GameRenders - I think you give credit where its not deserved. These members choose to leave GameRenders, to abandon the community here - and this website is NOTHING, without the member base.

Kazuya is a great guy, no doubt. Talented, and an amazing renderer; but horribly large ego, and whined like a baby when he did not receive Sectional Moderator. Jay left because he did not have enough access/power, and was mad SwAT was bumped up to Global Moderator over him. Jay is a nice guy as well(a fellow WoW player at that), but again - he choose to leave whatever his reason, and that was his choice.

For every old member who leaves, 20 new popular members join the ranks of GameRenders. Though I liked the old GameRenders(at least from when I was active), sites change.

Now to address something that was mentioned several times: how negative my influence has been to GameRenders, and how I should be removed. The only thing I am going to point out that instead of going around saying how bad GameRenders is getting, I have actually given suggestions for new features, suggestions for things currently in place, listened to members/and also done well over 5,000 moderator actions.

If you wish to say I am a bad moderator, or how bad GameRenders is getting - stop complaining and make useful suggestions. Feel free to use my topic as reference of what I have tried to do for GameRenders, because I can assure you - I have done more, spent more, and tried more to improve GameRenders then a bulk of the individuals who attack me. My reputation speaks for me, and unlike Blazeman and other individuals, I do not talk ---- behind your back - I will say it to your face, or I did not say it. I do often get irriated when it comes to GR situations, but thats mostly because of the members here. The community as a whole has gotten credit hungry, forgotten its roots(getting tired of all these 'semi-pro' threads), but at least I post my suggestions and still remember GR.

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Late reply, but I felt this was needed.

Andrew

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