First off, let me start by saying I respect someone who actually uses his mind to answer issues, but you are forgetting about what happened last election. Independents/Centrists are far from being a part of the mainstream politics; even the best of them only got 2% of the state votes. As for looking at the issues, good luck with that. Political agendas exist and thats the flat truth. A minority will never be able to overlook that anytime soon. Onto the tool comment, I may disagree strongly your opinion but highly respect the right you use to say it. For all I care, Warmonger Republicans and Bleeding-Heart Libs are all the same to me: overzealous spectators who want things to go the way they think should go best. Noone' s psychic or smart enough to understand what can happen with everyone's actions. The only reason I am worried about a liberal approach is because I don't want another Vietnam. Unlike Communism, Jihadism is a religious and spiritual approach that shatters fear of death and spreads the word of destruction of the West. Normally, I could ignore the extremist Muslims, but the fact that they 1) have waged war on Jews for three-thousand years (I am Jewish) and 2) threaten to destroy the only thing about this country that I truly like, I cannot simply watch us drop out guns and leave. I think there' s a way we can continue the efforts and bring home majority of the troops at the same time, but a liberal agenda like completely pulling out sounds simply like destroying what little of an international image we have left.
the last time I checked, a majority of americans consider themselves moderates, so i assume that independents and certrists are a rather large fraction seeing as they determine the elections. There is a diference between voting for an independant and being one.
@xelink: Thank you for bringing that point up. Anyways, I understand if there' s a majority of Moderates in this nation. All I am saying is that a large faction is merely a flock of sheep unless the get someone to break the wall that is keeping a Moderate candidate from becoming successful.
First off, let me start by saying I respect someone who actually uses his mind to answer issues, but you are forgetting about what happened last election. Independents/Centrists are far from being a part of the mainstream politics; even the best of them only got 2% of the state votes. As for looking at the issues, good luck with that. Political agendas exist and thats the flat truth. A minority will never be able to overlook that anytime soon. Onto the tool comment, I may disagree strongly your opinion but highly respect the right you use to say it. For all I care, Warmonger Republicans and Bleeding-Heart Libs are all the same to me: overzealous spectators who want things to go the way they think should go best. Noone' s psychic or smart enough to understand what can happen with everyone's actions. The only reason I am worried about a liberal approach is because I don't want another Vietnam. Unlike Communism, Jihadism is a religious and spiritual approach that shatters fear of death and spreads the word of destruction of the West. Normally, I could ignore the extremist Muslims, but the fact that they 1) have waged war on Jews for three-thousand years (I am Jewish) and 2) threaten to destroy the only thing about this country that I truly like, I cannot simply watch us drop out guns and leave. I think there' s a way we can continue the efforts and bring home majority of the troops at the same time, but a liberal agenda like completely pulling out sounds simply like destroying what little of an international image we have left. [snapback]3586085[/snapback][/quote] At the end of the day, the statistics are that about 40% will vote Democrat because they're Democrat, 40% will vote Republican because they're Republican, and the 20% in the middle are the ones that will decide who will win. That's held true for almost every election in the past fifty years. You're exactly right; no one is psychic. Nobody knows The Completely Right Thing to do, especially when placed into a situation where every breath taken is placed in public scrutiny. You can see an example in the Bush looking through binoculars with the lens caps on; the President can and will make mistakes, too, which is something that many people refuse to acknowledge because it wouldn't fit their agenda. Bush has probably had the most attention placed on his personal life out of any of the past ten or so presidents. It's like "oh, he's got his shoe untied, he's a dumbass lol" or "oh, he doesn't speak as clearly as somebody else, he's not qualified to hold office, he's an idiot, and he needs to be impeached." He screws up on something like that and you've got every twelve year old on the internet making it into a video about how stupid he is, posting it on YouTube, and getting feedback from users that sound like they've been living under a rock for most of their lives. To me, it's sad that people are so uninformed. To me, the recent drive to pull out of Iraq is disappointing. If anything, more troops need to be placed there, be they American or Iraqi. More Iraqi troops need to step up to the plate here, so the Americans can decrease their troop levels and eventually pull out. This won't happen for another few years, and, unless those who support these measures actually want the country to turn into Somalia 2 in the next ten years, it isn't the best idea to start making deadlines right now.
America is basically like this: Democrats or Republicans. Something else? You won't get listened to. I'm sure I've said this somewhere before, also. Nobody cares for the other parties cause most of them are ignorant dumbasses who have no idea what to think. It's very very VERY sad. Honestly there is absolutely no reason to pull out of Iraq right now. The country is still unstable, and we got rid of their leader. Clinton WANTS to stay in Iraq from what I've heard, and she has taken a lot of :censored: for it. Just because they're considered Democrats, doesn't mean they're automatically "liberal" 24/7 no matter who they are. Iraq needs to be finished ASAP, though. America needs to start aiming to finishing this and start looking at the end of it, but it's not going to be easy with extremist Muslims everywhere who want to blow up the outside world (haha Soundgarden song reference) and get rid of anyone who doesn't believe in their supposed god. Both major political parties are absolute trash 90% of the time. And the rest don't get listened to. What a nice country America is, eh? :wacko:
