Next Middle Eastern War?

lol your statements are pathetic, idiotic and above all, wrong.

Isreal mainly kill terrorists, and if a civilian dies its most likely terrorist related.

hamas and hezbollah mainly kill innocent civilians, which is against the geneva convention, so why show any respect towards those cowards, terrorists, civilian killers ?

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Again, wrong. If Isreali soldiers see 2 people running down the street with guns, and open fire and sadly kill 5 civilians too, is that random ?

Give me some evidence of the "random" kills.

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wtf you are an isreali yourself ?

 

They (Hezbollah) are shooting at Israeli civilians actually.

It's one thing to kill someone unintentionally in a war zone. It's another to intentionally bomb civilians for the sake of causing fear and terrorizing the population.

Where is your proof that Israelis are bombing random houses? I'll tell you they don't do it until you provide a real source to that. You keep spewing ---- out of your ass about this yet you can't back it up.

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I'm going to talk logically with you. Suppose the Israelis actually were killing innocents as a matter of policy and not accidentally (collateral damage). Is the proper response to blow up a bus full of innocents in some Israeli town? If the Palestinians are defending themselves, that's not the way to go about it. The way to go about it is to shoot at the Israeli military, not the civilians. Trust me, they'd get international favor, international condemnation of Israel's actions, and probably intervention by someone.

 

You gusy must remeber. Those Isreali soliders were in LEABNON!!! When suppospledy Isreali was suppose to leave southern Leabnon in 2000 but Isreali doesnt care about the UN they walk all over them and the UN doesnt do anything and the US supports them. They were in a area theyt werent suppose to be so they had every right to be attack and I wish more Isreai soliders died cause the deserve it for bombing and killing innocent civilans.

 

hey man, thats crossing the line..

don't wish isreali soldiers die, they're only following orders

i hope you get banned for this

 

you want evidence of the random kills?
why dont YOU give me evidence that israeli soldiers only kill terrorists?
you cant
and by the way you really crossed the line by saying:

now you are insulting us...

you are just assuming things
and if you want me to show you evidence i can fill this topic with 50 pages of disgusting evidence and thin you'd know what they realyl do but still , your opinion wouldnt change , because obviously you dont want it to

i live in israel , but i am arabic , palesteinian


sorry but i dont think you are worth being shown evidence because obviously you dont want to believe anything else

and YOU aren't crossing the line?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?

THEY CANT! its not as easy as you think it is! you have no damn idea how much they were damaged!! they want the other side to taste even the slightest bit of what they are suffering from each and every ----ing day of their life , they aren't an army , they are just normal civilians , you must think they are in thousands and have all kinds of weapons , the only effective weapon they have is rocks and suicide bombers

you people just dont get it , sorry to say it but you are hopeless , i would spend hours and maybe even days collecting videos/articles/pictures to show the truth to this forum , but i just dont think your worth the effort , i just know you wouldnt believe it because you dont want to

 

omg shotokantiger get the hell of my internet !

i will believe stuff you say when you give me proof..
you're just saying whats on ur mind and you're not listening to me.

and em..

Where am i crossing the line ? can't you handle me telling you're wrong and sick ?

You're the biggest ----ing hypocrit i've seen man, you come on here whining about isreal killing so called civilians and then you don't respect my own opinion ?
You live in Isreal and still you complain about them, jesus christ...

I seriously hope you get some brains and stop saying idiotic and pathetic things

Oh yeah, btw, i never said isreal only kill terrorists, learn to read, moron!

 

you are intentionaly trying to insult us , you have absoloutley no respect

since you brought it up , the israeli army did infact come to my village in the year 2000 , we are allmost a city now , and we aren't even part of the other goverment , we are just normal people , they came , and they started shooting randomly , i can still remember it , me and my brother and sister were watching it all happening from the roof , along with many others watching

they killed two , the first one is Called Alaa Nassar , the other one was shot after carrying Alaa who is infact his friend and trying to take him away from the shooting zone , they both were going to collage soon , the other one's name was Asel Asle , he was my sister's classmate , they both were in seeds of peace





they made a website about him:
http://www.slider17.com/

i wont be posting here anymore , everytime i try it just seems more impossible , its just impossible to let people see the truth , the only thing i get from these attempts are misunderstandings and insults , my one and only goal from these posts are to try and change that idea everyone has

 

"you want evidence of the random kills?
why dont YOU give me evidence that israeli soldiers only kill terrorists?"

You obviously can't either. You haven't shown one shred of evidence towards this.

"sorry but i dont think you are worth being shown evidence because obviously you dont want to believe anything else"

If you're not willing to show evidence of these alleged attrocities, kindly shut the ---- up.

"THEY CANT! its not as easy as you think it is! you have no damn idea how much they were damaged!! they want the other side to taste even the slightest bit of what they are suffering from each and every ----ing day of their life , they aren't an army , they are just normal civilians , you must think they are in thousands and have all kinds of weapons , the only effective weapon they have is rocks and suicide bombers"

Sure they can. They can build an IED, leave it on the side of the road, and probably knock out or severely damage an Israeli tank. It works in Iraq. A tank is also a legitimate target. A bus full of civilians is not. They could take a rifle, shoot a soldier. Is that not effective? They've got the capability to damage the Israeli army severely. They could do this through legitimate guerilla tactics, provided they have some form of ID (armbands etc. identifying them as partisans when fighting). That's recognized and supported by both the Geneva and Hague conventions. It would also mean that, if captured, the Israelis would have to hold them as POWs, not criminals. There's a difference. POWs are REQUIRED to get certain things daily. Criminals are not. Granted I don't wish that they'd kill Israeli soldiers, but I'd much rather them attack soldiers than a bus full of innocents.

"you people just dont get it , sorry to say it but you are hopeless , i would spend hours and maybe even days collecting videos/articles/pictures to show the truth to this forum , but i just dont think your worth the effort , i just know you wouldnt believe it because you dont want to"

If you're not willing to make the effort to back up your claims, shut up. Don't claim anything that you can't back up.

"now you are insulting us...

you are just assuming things
and if you want me to show you evidence i can fill this topic with 50 pages of disgusting evidence and thin you'd know what they realyl do but still , your opinion wouldnt change , because obviously you dont want it to"

Are you calling yourself a terrorist? That's not the smartest thing in the book. I want you to show evidence. Let me re-phrase that: I want you to either show evidence or quit talking out of your ass.

You know how I know that Israelis aren't killing innocents as a matter of policy? There's nothing out there. Absolutely nothing that says that (besides of course, Hamas and people like yourself - both of which are not credible sources; you're both biased towards one side or the other). That alone is proof that they don't do that. Granted, Israelis have killed civilians. There's no denying that fact. However, they have killed civilians becuase these civilians were in the wrong place at the wrong time (Abdul's house when it got a 2000 pound bomb down its chimney).

 

whats all this about us ?

i'm only insolting you, because you're twisting my quotes.

Good god man, i'm not insolting your "race" or "people"

You are the hypocrite, idiot!

 

Here's what the site says:

Here's the context of the situation: Asel (the man killed) was with a group of protestors. The protestors were throwing rocks at a group of soldiers. The soldiers proceeded to fire rubber bullets (used for riot control) into the crowd. These bullets are fired as a regular bullet, but they simply expand and cause blunt force trauma to the subject. Asel was hit by one of these, along with several other protestors. Disregarding the bullets, the crowd stayed largely intact. The soldiers moved in with night stick-like objects and proceeded to beat back the crowd. Some still fired their rifles (using the rubber bullets). Two soldiers began to hit Asel. Asel fell. As he was being hit, another round struck him (this time in the neck). The distance of the shot is unknown, but at close range, a hit to a vital area (throat, head) could knock a person unconcious or even kill the person. The shot was thought to have been fired from about 10-25 feet. Asel was knocked unconcious and was taken to a hospital. Asel expired on the way to the hospital. The police checkpoints and crowds did infact delay the time it took to reach the hospital. Had Asel recieved treatement immediately, he probably would be alive. It is unclear as to whether the shot killed him immediately. However, no live ammunition was used in this situation. This was taken from googling his name.

Yes, the death is tragic. However, it is not an indescriminate killing. He was killed while rioting by standard riot-control tactics used around the world. These tactics are not meant to kill people; simply to disperse them. He was not killed purposely. This is another story used by Palestinians to justify killing innocents.

 

thats pretty crazy

 

i hope canada stays peaceful

 

Ferret you obsviuly arent getting the point maybe you should see some pics. And you will see why Hamas and Hezbollah attacks Isreali.














And thoose are only half of the ones I found in a 5 min search, the others were too graphix.

 

well tell me ferret , WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY DOING THERE!!
IT WASN'T EVEN A RIOT! IT WAS LEGAL AND CLEAN!
and why the hell do you think they started throwing rocks at them?
because they were entering the village from the mountain , now tell me , were they making us a surprise party? were they bringing us gifts? hell no
specially after seeing in the news how they killed everyone in the aksa while they were praying

as soon as i get those videos you'll see what am talking about


for now , look at these pictures:-


November 23, 2003 - Two Palestinians who were blindfolded as punishment after they refused to clean up trash around the Huwarra checkpoint as they had been ordered by IDF soldiers.



March 11, 2002 - An Israeli soldier handcuffs Palestinian men after rounding up all males age 14-40 in the Deheisha refugee camp, near Bethlehem, during Operation Defensive Shield.



April 25, 2001 - Israeli soldiers stranglehold a Palestinian boy in the West Bank town of Hebron.



March 3, 2003 - Shukry al Maqadma, who's wife Nuha was crushed to death when IDF soldiers blew up their home in the al-Bureij Refugee Camp in March 2003.



December 23, 2002 - Wa'il Abu Rumeileh, who was beaten and had his hair forcibly cut by soldiers in December 2002, in a barbershop where he worked in Hebron.



June 10, 2002 - Israeli border policemen kick and punch a Palestinian protestor who, along with other Palestinian citizens, attempted to prevent construction on Palestinian owned land in East Jerusalem.



May 2, 2004 - Two children stand in front of their recently demolished house in Beit Hanina in Jerusalem.



June 6, 2001 - Settlers attack a Palestinian in Hebron in plain view of an IDF soldier.



July 28, 2002 - Settlers throw stones at Palestinian homes in Hebron, as soldiers stand idly by.



Settlers in Hebron aiming their weapons at Palestinians as soldiers look on.




but thin again , WE are the terrorists?
for more of these images:
http://www.btselem.org/English/Photo_Archive/index.asp

if you could see what happens in those villages on a daily basis , you'd know why hamas does that , even though its nothing close to what they do

i dont hate jewish people , i have jewish friends , but if one person dies due to a suicide bombing , they go like "omg the ----in terrorists , we should blow up their houses and kill their children , arrest their parents"
you also have no idea how much they humilitate us in airports , on the way back , they let every jewish/foreign person pass without any checking , while they intened to humilitate us , they usually take random stuff and tell you its not allowed , they keep throwing stuff and breaking it because they are "searching" , and if you are a female , they bring a man and tell you they have to strip search you , not just the shirt and pants , but every damn piece of clothing , just because you are palesteinian

 

shotokan tiger,

this is the last think i'll say to you..
According to you, hamas and hezbollah are [UNDERLINE]defending[/UNDERLINE] their countries and civilians ?

Well, hamas and hezbollah are attacking Israeli civilians and soldiers.. This, according to you, is called defending yourself.

For every attack hamas and hezbollah do, Israeli forces bombard Palistine or Lebanon..

Conclusion, they are not defending their country, nor are they defending there civilians, they are making sure that palistinians are getting killed.

Its hamas and hezbollahs fault that civilians are getting killed.

I'm not going to view this topic anymore because you can't discuss it like a proper human.