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    Hitachi dekstars are amazing, get two or three in RAID0 and they will destroy a raptor.
     
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    it won't work on your computer. you need something using an eIDE interface. again, you buy the cheapest(or in some cases the cheapest with a 100% markup) things and expect miracles...

    cost/GB, an 80GB drive blows, you can get a 320GB drive for double the cost, and a 160GB drive for 20$ more


    the drives below shoudl all work...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....dicular&Ntk=all
     
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    Best buy was having a sell on there 500gb hard drives and got f'ed offer. I got 4 for less then 200bucks They was extrnal maybe i can hook one up for ya!
     
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    I bet a lot of money those 500 GB hard drives were cheap ata 133/ata 100. in which case newegg has sata 3.0gb/s at around $200 and they are not on sale.
     
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    umm... right... their lowend deskstars right? the ones w/ relatively low disk density and low thoroughput...







    would take around 4-10 for what you said to be accurate doubling the drives in a raid aray results in a 10-30% speed boost. remember, nothiung is faster than the slowest part though...
     
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    Newegg is down right now so I can't comment or give suggestions, sorry.

    Hope Newegg gets up soon.
     
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    With the combination of SATAII and RAID0 you will see that the drives get 300+MB/s burst scores. Thats besides the fact that they are 41$/80GB 8mb. 2xRAID0 can probably match the raptors speed but 3xRAID0 and you can easily surpass it.

    Here is a reference, 75% of the thread is about hitachi deskstars
    http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4177&page=1
     
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    umm yeah... 300mb/s

    also, how long do you define a burst as, a billionth of a nanosecond? the 15k rpm SAS drives don't have a burst speed of anywhere near 300mb/s


    must explain why IDE 100 only averages 99.999% (egageration latency is better, but bandwidth wasn't the issue1) of the performance of SATAII and that it is being replaced only necause SATA2 is cheaper, has better cable management and allows for better parreleism as two devices no longer share the same lane.



    the HIGH END Deskstars are exceptional performers and it would have been reasonable to call them thje 2nd fastest desktop drive after the raptors(wait, that was soo last month... PRM drives are out with higher disk desnities and greater real world performance, the deskstars are in 3rd now)... but there are still a lot of cases where two of them in RAID0 cannot outperform a raptor. These cases include the folloiwing, loading an OS, oppening a lot of small files simultaneously(aka gaming, photoshop, pagefiling) the only real world boost you gain from raid is from a boost to maximum theoretical bandwidth. There is a realworld increase in seek times and latency and a realworld exponential risk in data corruption.

    RAID0 is a great technology on a small scale. transferring large media files is a significant amoutn faster through it, there is a huge diference from what you misstated though, in most scenarios, a single raptor will outperform or be on par with two of the 500GB deskstars. their lowend 80GB models are not in the same league as their higher capacity models on that aspect and are fairly compareable to other 80 models.

    Also, note that all this speak was in a matter of percentages, real world performance with one scenario isn't even really any more than 30% moreso than another(give or take the 30% is just some random number i pulled out for the hell of it).


    and for the record, I saw two RAID0-ed 300GB deskstars(albiet around 1 year ago) and my SINGLE raptor seemed more or less at par with them.

    http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2116
    didn't read the article, I already know I'm right so...


    on nother note, I will say they are a significantly better value(on all ends) than the raptors, but I would like you to explain to me how three of them would surpass a raptor. Latency is not improved at all if anything it is downgraded and each bit of data must wait for the correspoinding data from the other drives, again your performance improves about 20%(depending on scenario of course) each time you doubel the number of drives... I would liek you to explain to me where you find a good raid adapter for $0.00 which is easily setup by a beginner who has never even heard of RAID...
     

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