Earth, Space, Evolution, Universe... Life?

.bcn · Nov 6, 2005 at 2:52 PM

Originally posted by XxLostXx@Nov 6 2005, 05:38 PM
Aliens: No fcuking way, i'll believe it when i see one aite? :blink:

Life: Do i believe in life after death? of course i do that's the whole point of living, you live to die and go to a better place. Someone doesn't just get to take your life then there, that's the end of you. Your body dies, but your soul goes to the man above
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Im not even going to comment on this, all I have to say is you just contridicted yourself

Edward_B.k.A_Eddy · Nov 6, 2005 at 2:56 PM

WTf ?? how do we live to die ?? lmao :blink:

.bcn · Nov 6, 2005 at 2:59 PM

I know Im gonna get bashed for thsi, but its Annunaki, lol and here, I'll quote some Wiki for ya

And the Trive werent african, they were Sumarian, which was Babylon, and which is now Modern Southern Iraq.

The Anunnaki or Anunnaku are a group of Sumerian mythological and Akkadian deities related to, and in some cases overlapping with, the Annuna (the 'Fifty Great Gods') and the Igigi (minor gods). The name is variously written "da-nuna", "da-nuna-ke4-ne", or "da-nun-na", meaning something like 'those of royal blood'1. The head of the Anunnaki council was the Great Anu, the sky god, and the other members were his offspring. His throne was inherited by Enlil, resulting in a dispute between Enlil and his brother Enki regarding who was the rightful leader. Enki was an alchemist and was said to have created mankind.

The Anunnaki were the High Council of the Gods, and Anu's companions. They were distributed through the Earth and the Underworld. The best known of them were Asaru, Asarualim, Asarualimnunna, Asaruludu, En-Ki (Ea for the Akkadians), Namru, Namtillaku and Tutu.

A conventional analysis of Sumerian religious practice can be found in A. Leo Oppenheim, Ancient Mesopotamia: Portrait of a Dead Civilization; it revised edition was published in 1976. Unlike popular fantasies of pseudoarchaeology, Oppenheim cautions against too confident and sweeping interpretations of the gods of a "lost civilization."

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Ancient astronaut theory
Some ancient astronaut theorists such as Zecharia Sitchin (q.v.), Sherry Shriner, Laurence Gardner and David Icke claim that the Anunnaki were in fact extra-terrestrials who came to Earth in antiquity and created or tampered with the genetic makeup of primitive mankind. They propose various readings of the word, two of which are "anu-na-ki" and "an-unnak-ki", both translated something like 'those who came from heaven to Earth'.2 (Compare the Raëlian translation of Elohim.)

Other channeled material claim that they actually came from the Pleiades. Icke claims that they were of reptilian nature and that they fed on human flesh. Some of this theory is based on the idea that we have not found a "missing link", on the Sumerians' knowledge of the solar system, and on the Sumerians' crediting their knowledge and crafts directly to the gods (the concept of me).

These claims, like all ancient astronaut theories, are generally considered pseudoscience at best.
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Here's the seal

Theres a Canadian named David Icke who is also into it, but ive read some of his theories, and he almost sounds like a maniac, look in Zecheria Sitchin lol, so many typos today

.bcn · Nov 6, 2005 at 3:15 PM

I know I keep double posting, but Im trying to keep this alive

more info

Sumerian Culture and the Annunaki
Working from the same archaeological discoveries, artifacts, and recovered records as archaeologists and linguists have for two hundred years, Sitchin propounds – proves, in the opinion of this author -- that the Anunnaki (Sumerian: “those who came down from the heavens”; Old testament Hebrew, Anakeim, Nefilim, Elohim; Egyptian: Neter), an advanced civilization from the tenth planet in our solar system, splashed down in the Persian gulf area around 432,000 years ago, colonized the planet, with the purpose of obtaining large quantities of gold. Some 250,000 years ago, the recovered documents tell us, their lower echelon miners rebelled against the conditions in the mines and the Anunnaki directorate decided to create a creature to take their place. Enki, their chief scientist and Ninhursag their chief medical officer, after getting no satisfactory results splicing animal and Homo Erectus genes, merged their Anunnaki genes with that of Homo Erectus and produced us, Homo Sapiens, a genetically bicameral species, for their purposes as slaves. Because we were a hybrid, we could not procreate. The demand for us as workers became greater and we were genetically manipulated to reproduce.

Eventually, we became so numerous that some of us were expelled from the Anunnaki city centers, gradually spreading over the planet. Having become a stable genetic stock and developing more precociously than, perhaps, the Anunnaki had anticipated, the Anunnaki began to be attracted to humans as sexual partners and children were born of these unions. This was unacceptable to the majority of the Anunnaki high council and it was decided to wipe out the human population through a flood that was predictable when Nibiru, the tenth in our solar system and the Anunnaki home planet, came through the inner solar system again (around 12,500 years ago) on one of its periodic 3600 year returns. Some humans were saved by the action of the Anunnaki official, Enki, who was sympathetic to the humans he had originally genetically created. For thousands of years, we were their slaves, their workers, their servants, and their soldiers in their political battles among themselves. The Anunnaki used us in the construction of their palaces (we retroproject the religious notion of temple on these now), their cities, their mining and refining complexes and their astronomical installations on all the continents. They expanded from Mesopotamia to Egypt to India to South and Central America and the stamp of their presence can be found in the farthest reaches of the planet.

Around 6000 years ago, they, probably realizing that they were going to phase off the planet, began, gradually, to bring humans to independence. Sumer, a human civilization, amazing in its “sudden”, mature, and highly advanced character was set up under their tutelage in Mesopotamia. Human kings were inaugurated as go-betweens, foremen of the human populations answering to the Anunnaki. A strain of humans, genetically enhanced with more Anunnaki genes, a bloodline of rulers in a tradition of “servants of the people” was initiated (Gardner). These designated humans were taught technology, mathematics, astronomy, advanced crafts and the ways of advanced civilized society (in schools, called now “mystery schools” but there was no mystery about them). Gardner has brought to light the fact that there exists a robust, highly documented, genealogical, genetic history carrying all the way back to the Anunnaki, possessed by the heterodox tradition of Christianity, which is only now coming forward, no longer gun-shy of the Inquisition. This tradition, preserving the bloodline, is the one branded “heretical” and murderously persecuted by the Roman Church. There were no Dark Ages for this tradition, only for those whom the Church wanted to keep in the dark about the real nature of human history and destroy the bloodline, a direct threat to the power of the Bishops.

What evidence supports the Sitchin thesis?

The Astronomical Evidence
“...no concrete problem is going to be solved as long as the experts of astronomy are too supercilious to touch "mythical" ideas -- which are firmly believed to be plain nonsense, of course -- as long as historians of religion swear to it that stars and planets were smuggled into originally "healthy" fertility cults and naive fairy tales only "very late" -- whence these unhealthy subjects should be neglected by principle -- and as long as the philologists imagine that familiarity with grammar replaces that scientific knowledge which they lack, and dislike.”

Giorgio de Santillana, Ph.D.& Hertha von Dechend, Ph.D.
Hamlet's Mill

A key underpinning of the Sitchin paradigm is the existence, now or in the past, of the tenth planet in our solar system, the home planet of the Anunnaki with the size, orbit, and characteristics described, as Sitchin has demonstrated, in the Enuma Elish and corroborated by Harrington, former chief of the U.S. Naval Observatory, now deceased.

Tombaugh discovered Pluto in 1930. Christie, of the U.S. Naval Observatory, discovered Charon, Pluto’s moon, in 1978. The characteristics of Pluto derivable from the nature of Charon demonstrated that there must still be a large planet undiscovered because Pluto could not be the cause of the residuals, the “wobbles” in the orbital paths of Uranus and Neptune clearly identifiable. The IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite), during ’83 -’84, produced observations of a tenth planet so robust that one of the astronomers on the project said that “all that remains is to name it” -- from which point the information has become curiously guarded. In 1992 Harrington and Van Flandern of the Naval Observatory, working with all the information they had at hand, published their findings and opinion that there is, indeed, a tenth planet, even calling it an “intruder” planet. The search was narrowed to the southern skies, below the ecliptic. Harrington invited Sitchin, having read his book and translations of the Enuma Elish, to a meeting at his office and they correlated the current findings with the ancient records.

The recovered Enuma Elish document, a history of the formation of our solar system and more, says that, at the time when Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus and Saturn were in place, there was a Uranus sized planet, called Tiamat, in orbit between Mars and Jupiter. Earth was not in place yet. A large wandering planet, called Nibiru, was captured into the system gravitationally. As it passed by the outer planets it caused the anomalies of their moons, the tilting of Uranus on its side, the dislodging of Pluto from its being a moon of Saturn to its own planetary orbit. Its path bent by the gravitational pull of the large planets, first its satellites collided with the large planet Tiamat and, on a second orbit through, Nibiru collided with Tiamat, driving the larger part of it into what is now Earth’s orbit to recongeal as Earth, dragging its moon with it to become our Moon with all its anomalies. The shattered debris of Tiamat’s smaller part became the asteroid belt, comets, and meteorites. The gouge of our Pacific basin is awesome testimony to the collisional event. Nibiru settled into a 3600 year elliptical retrograde (opposite direction to all the other planets) orbit around our sun, coming in through the asteroid belt region between Mars and Jupiter at perigee and swinging far out past Pluto at apogee. Harrington acknowledged that his information agreed with all these details and the maps they each had drawn of the orbits were almost indistinguishable. The current probable location of Nibiru (Planet X, our tenth) estimated by both was the same.

It is the opinion of this author and others that, in light of the evidence already obtained through the use of the Pioneer 10 and 11 and two Voyager space craft, the Infrared Imaging Satellite (IRAS, ‘83-84) and the clear and unequivocal statements of Harrington when consulting with Sitchin, that the search has already been accomplished, in fact that the planet has already been found.

We need to force the issue of the tenth planet being in our solar system, not just to demonstrate the validity of the new paradigm but for a very practical reason. The ancient records are very clear. The passage of the tenth planet, Nibiru, once every 3600 years, through the inner solar system effects the Earth, sometimes in catastrophic ways. It is very probably the cause of pole shifts, pole reversals, changes in the precessional movement, perhaps even catastrophic bombardment by asteroid size space debris that it may drag along with it. Since it passes through the asteroid belt area between Mars and Jupiter and its orbital path may vary depending on the position of the other planets when it comes though, it may have been responsible for the devastation of Mars. A rigorous, detailed computer modeling of the solar system, including the tenth planet needs to be done urgently for our own planetary safety. Remember that the Vatican maintains an astronomical observatory and Msgr. Balducci may have access to information that prompts him to make the amazing statements he has ---- no doubt as voice of the Vatican.

The Technological Evidence
Ooparts is the term used to describe the purportedly out of place in time artifacts, toys, tools, technical devices, depictions and documents which have come to light through archaeological excavation or discovery. Almost everyone is familiar, through published works or documentaries, with the clay pot batteries still containing the electrodes from the Iraqi desert dated at 2500 B.C., the flyable model airplane from a pyramid tomb, the sophisticated machining of stone requiring the most advanced techniques we know today, the 1000 ton precision cut blocks of stone in a temple foundation that we could not even handle, an ancient relief frieze from an Abydos temple depicting rockets, airplanes and even a helicopter, etc. The most recent and quite amazing oopart is the rediscovery of monoatomic gold by David Hudson (Monoatomics are superconductors at room temperature, have anti-gravitic properties and are only now being investigated by the advanced physics community) Hudson’s discovery, correlated with the bringing to light, by Gardner, of the suppressed discovery of the Anunnaki gold processing plant on Mt. Horeb by Sir Flinders Petrie in 1889 demonstrates that the monoatomics were already known at least 3000 years ago. These ooparts coupled with evidence from many disciplines and the historical records indicate that an advanced civilization existed in those times possessing a high technology and that that civilization was indeed the Anunnaki.

The Documentary Evidence
The recorded historical documentation for the existence and deeds of the Anunnaki has become gradually available to us only since the early 1800’s. The excavation of the ancient sites of Mesopotamia brought to light the amazingly advanced civilization of Sumer and, with it, thousands of clay tablets containing not only mundane records of commerce, marriages, military actions and advanced astronomical calculation systems but of the history of the Anunnaki themselves. It is clear from those records that the Sumerians knew these aliens to be real flesh and blood. The library of the ruler, Ashurbanipal, at Nineveh was discovered to have burnt down and the clay tablets held there were fired, preserving them for our reading. One of the most impressive finds, in very recent time, has been a sealed, nine foot by six foot room in Sippar holding, neatly arranged on shelves, a set of some 400 elaborate clay tablets containing an unbroken record of the history of those ancient times, a sort of time capsule. The evidence is so overwhelming and robust that, if it weren’t for those with power enough to suppress, it would have been accepted and our world view changed a century ago or, perhaps, sooner.

The Genetic Evidence
The recovered records place the location of the Anunnaki laboratory where the first humans were literally produced in east central Africa just above their gold mines. This falls precisely on the map where the mitochondrial DNA “search for Eve” places the first woman Homo Sapiens and in the same period. (The gold mining engineers of Africa have found 100,000-year-old gold mines in that area.) The evidence for, and description of advanced genetic engineering is all there in the ancient documents. Our rapid progress from inception to going to Mars soon, after only 250,000 years, does not correspond to the million year periodicities of slow evolutionary development of other species such as Homo Erectus before us. As so many thinkers have pointed out, we are radically and anomalously different, as discussed in part three.

Scientific Objections to the Thesis
How could the Anunnaki, clearly described as comfortable in earth gravity and atmosphere, very similar to current humans in all ways, have evolved on a planet within our solar system whose orbital apogee takes it into the deep cold of space for much of its orbit?

The ancient records repeatedly describe Nibiru as a “radiant” planet. This may be understood as having a high core temperature. Although controversial, there is also astrophysical opinion that a large body in elongated orbit is constantly tending toward circular orbit and this causes stresses in the body that could generate a good deal of heat. That their planet is gradually cooling, may be indicated by Sitchin’s interpretation of their colonizing Earth (contains most of the gold identifiable in the solar system) for the purpose of obtaining large quantities of gold for molecular seeding of their atmosphere with a reflective gold shielding. Pertinent here is Harrington’s confident statement to Sitchin that it is “a nice, good planet, could be surrounded by gases, probably has an atmosphere and could support life like ours”. The sunlight level there might be quite different than on earth. The Anunnaki were often depicted or sculpted with what seem to be obviously sunglasses.

If, however, the Anunnaki evolved on a radically different planet from earth under quite different conditions to which to adapt, why should they have turned out to be so identical to human species? Sitchin’s answer is based on the collisional event between the intruder planet, Nibiru, and the planet Tiamat, the residual part of which recongealed into the Earth after being driven into current Earth orbit. That the two, or at least one, of the colliding planets was sufficiently developed to have evolved basic organic compounds, perhaps even simple life, the cross-seeding of everything from amino acids to more complicated organic compounds or even primitive organisms, could account for the evolutionary similarity. Although this author finds it a reasonable hypothesis, even trivial, that advanced civilizations would be capable of crossing extremely different genomes, perhaps with even radically different bases, the cross-seeding theory can account for the apparent relative ease with which the Anunnaki impinged their genes on the genes of Homo Erectus. The Anunnaki skill level, 200,000 years ago, is indicated well by the recorded fact that, in early trials, they succeeded in crossing animal genes with Homo Erectus genes, obtained living hybrids but never a satisfactory product which led them to modify Homo Erectus genes with their advanced genes.

If our genome is estimated as 98% to 99% similar to the chimpanzee, how could there be a melding of the Homo Erectus and Anunnaki genomes, or impingement of the advanced code on the lesser advanced one detectable? The author suggests that this is a major question probably answerable only by the geneticists open-minded enough to attack it. The resolution of that question should provide rich additional clues in itself.

Author: Neil Freer
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Very interesting stuff I think, but the thing bout is that it actually backed up by facts, and not story tales like some other theories or religions.

XxLostXx · Nov 6, 2005 at 3:18 PM

Originally posted by Edward_B.k.A_Eddy@Nov 6 2005, 07:56 PM
WTf ?? how do we live to die ?? lmao :blink:
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hmm..do you live to live? do you live to eat popcorn? do you live life to its full and then die? yes that's what i mean't. :blink:

.bcn · Nov 6, 2005 at 3:47 PM

Lost, can you please explain to me how you believe in God, but yet you don't believe in Aliens...

You ask for proof of Aliens, What proof do you have of a God?

Can you please explain yourself a little more?

cochise · Nov 6, 2005 at 4:27 PM

I am not so sure about sitchin, his theory is not based entirely on facts, it is mainly based on speculation, and the extreme interpretations of certain facts.

Gruntkilla · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:04 PM

Originally posted by Bacon@Nov 6 2005, 08:47 PM
Lost, can you please explain to me how you believe in God, but yet you don't believe in Aliens...

You ask for proof of Aliens, What proof do you have of a God?

Can you please explain yourself a little more?
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SEE!!!

Now thats the sh-t i'm talkin' about...

Religious people are so quick to judge other beliefs other then their own and yet really - alot of it makes ALOT more sense then their version of events... i'll come back in about half an hour and explain something really cool

And Bacon... thanx for gettin' the word-for-word facts... i was going by a 35 minute doco so cheers

And i sooo believe in it - i'll explain soon'ish

Irrelevant · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:06 PM

exactly, god is nom-existant.
if you can prove to me that he is real, i'll suck yo d*ck

mori · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:06 PM

Aliens:

The Universe is HUGE, with so many stars of stars. Even if one in one trillion stars has life, thats more than millions of planets with life.

Look at this: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/star...unt_030722.html

Exerpt:

Astronomers announced today that there are 70 sextillion stars in the visible universe, or some 70 thousand million million million. That's a 7 followed by 22 zeros. [...] If these are not enough problems, scientists even have difficulty counting the stars in our own Milky Way Galaxy. The figure is typically put at between 100 billion and 300 billion.

Thats 70x10^22 or 700,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars! (forgive me if my math is wrong)

Now, lets assume that 9/10 of the ones that have life on them (1 in 1TRILLION) have primitive life (ie: single cell, or other non-complex organisms). That still leaves 1/10 of those that have a higher form, such as dinosaurs or dogs or something. Out of those some million stars with higher life, SOME of them HAVE to have interlligent life (i'd say apes, humans, etc). I'm not saying that they're past the point of apes, or that they drive UFO's and anally probe random people, but I AM saying that there HAS to be some life out there....somewhere...

And, remember, the universe IS constantly expanding. And, we don't even know whats past the point where we can see...

Also, look here: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astr...cal_020128.html

30BIL habitable planets...wow...

Gruntkilla · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:13 PM

That brings up the ULTIMATE question doesn't it :

'where does the universe end? where is the edge/edges?'

:lol: :lol: :lol: HAHA, u can trip out soo freakin' hard on this subject.. i mean it can't go forever, thats kinda hard to belive but at the same time... it makes even less sense for it to stop somewhere with a massive brickwall(so to speak) as a divider... but even then - the bricks can't be that thick that it goes on forever... because that contradicts the infinite universe idea...

WOW :huh: It messes with ya head, i mean, really think about it and u end up back where u started... LMFAO! its great

cochise · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:13 PM

SOME of them HAVE to have interlligent life
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They don't have to have anything.

Gruntkilla · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:14 PM

Originally posted by atakiBOON@Nov 6 2005, 10:13 PM

SOME of them HAVE to have interlligent life
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They don't have to have anything.
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Now thats jus being a smartarse and there'z no need for it

cochise · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:16 PM

Originally posted by Gruntkilla@Nov 6 2005, 05:13 PM
That brings up the ULTIMATE question doesn't it :

'where does the universe end? where is the edge/edges?'

:lol: :lol: :lol: HAHA, u can trip out soo freakin' hard on this subject.. i mean it can't go forever, thats kinda hard to belive but at the same time... it makes even less sense for it to stop somewhere with a massive brickwall(so to speak) as a divider... but even then - the bricks can't be that thick that it goes on forever... because that contradicts the infinite universe idea...

WOW :huh: It messes with ya head, i mean, really think about it and u end up back where u started... LMFAO! its great
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That's a question I asked my mom when I was six years old. Little did I know at the time that such a simple question, had no known answer.

cochise · Nov 6, 2005 at 5:17 PM

Originally posted by Gruntkilla+Nov 6 2005, 05:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gruntkilla @ Nov 6 2005, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-atakiBOON@Nov 6 2005, 10:13 PM

SOME of them HAVE to have interlligent life
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They don't have to have anything.
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Now thats jus being a smartarse and there'z no need for it [/b][/quote]
No it wasn't, just because the odds seem high, doesn't mean there is.

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