Do You Agree With My Views? (warning Language)

A few months ago, I posted a message on the Rachel's Challenge Facebook group, which had recently given a presentation at my high school. Now I don't remember exactly what i posted, but it was along the lines of how Rachel is a whore, and how much i hate her. I also made a group myself, and invited a lot of people from my school to it. Apparently they disagreed with me and I heard it a lot in school.

For those who don't know, "Rachel's Challenge", or who Rachel Scott is:

So, after I made the post (in a public group) a girl from Asheville, NC decided to message me regarding my post. Here's how our conversation happened:

Oh and just so you guys know, I am serious here. I really want to know what you guys think.

i am Brendan Keohane:


so what do you guys think? I have some reasonable opinions, I think.

 

TL;DR

But if you're calling some girl a whore on the basis of her being shot and a foundation being made in her name then no.

 

I think I'm cheering for Erin.



You don't know Rachel either. It's not your place to judge or slander her name. Whether it's false or not, is it so wrong to motivate people to change for the better? If you disagree with what they're doing, fine, disagree. But trying to get others who have already decided on their belief to change to yours is a waste of everyone's time, including yours.

And then, if you have a problem with Rachel's Challenge, you need to stop watching the news. Otherwise you're being a hypocrite. The news brainwashes people and shows propaganda constantly. You can't read the newspaper either, or watch any movies with any form of a moral to them.


Rachel's Challenge is no different than the "Every 15 Minutes" thing my school put on every two years. Every fifteen minutes, someone dressed as the grim reaper would walk up to a student and beckon them away. They'd later return wearing black robes and white makeup, aka dead. They weren't allowed to speak. They'd stay in a hotel that night and a police officer would walk up to all of their homes and tell their parents that they were killed in a drunk driving accident. The parents knew they'd come and that it was fake, but it still hit them emotionally. We'd then have an assembly where people gave their testimonies and a man came in to talk about his daughter and how she died in a drunk driving accident. Yes, it's propaganda. But it's all true, and that girl is still dead. Drunk driving is still wrong and stupid.



Do you want me to be glad when you die? I pity you, that you feel no remorse or pity for the death of a young woman. Innocent or not, Rachel is still dead and still missed. Her family has to live everyday without her. Do not judge what you do not know.



I'd also like to say that before today I'd never heard of this organization. And you now have two Christian's praying for you. Go ahead, think of a come back, it won't change my position on anything.

 

As much as I hate to side with a Christian.
Unless I'm missing something, how the ------ is it Rachel's fault her image etc. is being used to 'Brainwash' people?

Honestly you come off as an idiot, your opinions are invalid and based on hear-say and non-existent facts. I mean, "Who's to say she wasn't doing drugs?" who the ------ cares? the girl still got shot, doing drugs doesn't mean she deserved to get shot, I don't see how Rachel's life or acts were in any way relevant if the foundation exists for a good cause.

 

My feelings are kind of mixed on this one. Both you and her make valid points. I think I might be leaning more in your favor though. I like what the organization stands for though. Just not the way they go about doing it. 

 

for all we know she was a bullying drug addict... the point im trying to make heer is that her image is probably being twisted WAY out of proportion to gain followers. its wrong.

 

This is response to Broken's comment. I actually hadn't read it until now. But it makes all the difference whether she was the exact opposite of what they say she was. How are you going to have a organization that's for a good cause founded on something thats not? That's like having a Jewish Memorial Fund named after Hitler.

 

I agree with you GP.

Her family and the whole program as a whole made her image out to be a martyr and some godlike holy person with this holy aura around here that meant she was a sign from god.

Sure, she isn't a whore in the literal sense, ie a prostitute of sorts, but her family is a sell out, selling her out primarily. They are turning her into a whore because they are selling her for worth, for the message that for all we know could be complete bull.

Coming from someone who lived in Colorado at the time of the shootings as well.

The way you argued was retarded though, I am surprised she didn't just bitch you out.

 

I believe that when a person dies, that person is no longer who they were, but how they are remembered.

In this case, she's being used (or whored).

 

thank you

 

Can't agree, it's not exactly the extereme of having a Jewish Memorial named after Hitler ; but who cares what the person was like?. Honestly, if the foundation actually achieves something and deals with some issues then why is her -real- life actually relevant? What does bringing that to the forefront do at all except ------ people around some more?.

GP, etc. etc.
Everyone's images are twisted, that's the Media for you ; every single thing you see or read is twisted to make sure it suits their opinions, nothing you see is really believable nowadays so why does her real image really matter?

Her being a drug addict doesn't mean she didn't have good qualities, there's plenty of drug addicts who are good people.

I just don't see how her real image is relevant ; I'm viewing this the same way I view the majority of religions, as long as it's doing something positive and doesn't harm anyone in the process, who cares? I'm not going in depth on religion because it's not really relevant, but if the bible was disproved, if the bible was shown to be nothing more then a compendium of lies...do you think people would stop believing in god? stop praying? No. How it came to be isn't relevant in the long run, what it achieves -is- relevant.

 

ill bet you my life that if the average parent knew Rachel was a drug dealer but she had awesome values, Rachel's Challenge wouldn't exist.

the media thinks anyone involved with drugs in the slightest way is a horrible person who isn't capable of coming up with things like this fake "Rachel" character

 

Sorry again, who cares?
So some ignorant parents wouldn't let it happen ; again, does whatever she actually did within her life have to mean that something positive shouldn't come out of it?

The state the planet is currently in, we shouldn't dispute something positive, even if the means aren't entirely ethical. (Small scale)

 

Honestly, when a kid dies they're always instantly portrayed as a Godly saint by their parents and people who knew them. Why do you care if they wern't quite as perfect as people want to remember them as? I've never heard of this foundation and has no idea what it does but if it's helping people then it's probably a good thing. Meh, they chose Rachel's name to front the foundation, it doesn't matter.

And I'm guessing she wasn't a drug dealer because that stuff always surfaces in things like this. She probably wasnt perfect but I'm willing to bet she wasn't an evil person either.

 

They came to my school last year, and the same exact thing happened to my school. All I heard was Rachel's Challenge this and that, they even started a club devoted to her. It was rather annoying and they do seem to "brainwash" people. I honestly couldn't stand it, and I seemed to be one of the only ones unaffected.

So, I do agree with you, and I also agree with what Dem said, which is what you said, but in a cleaner form .