What a story [/b][/quote] I am bein real. This is my 3rd time back to the States and even though, I have a job, I am willin to sacrifice it to be with my family again. I don't care if I don't get a job up in Norway, all that matters to me is my wife and my daughters. [/b][/quote] Have fun pursuing the male model in a relationship while not being able to support your family. If you love someone you should be able to put aside your personal relationship with them in order to assure they can live. Or are you so selfish that you would drop everything you are doing to support your family just so you could hold her in your arms? If you want to see them, and you can't find a job in Norway, the logical thing to do would be to fight for their citizenship here in the states and have them sent down. If they aren't willing to do that for you, and for themselves, something else is going on in that relationship. Also, I have 3 teenage friends who live in Norway who had no issues finding a job, what is making it so difficult for you? Are you just not looking very hard, or do you have a criminal record worse than I do?
I am bein real. This is my 3rd time back to the States and even though, I have a job, I am willin to sacrifice it to be with my family again. I don't care if I don't get a job up in Norway, all that matters to me is my wife and my daughters. [/b][/quote] Have fun pursuing the male model in a relationship while not being able to support your family. If you love someone you should be able to put aside your personal relationship with them in order to assure they can live. Or are you so selfish that you would drop everything you are doing to support your family just so you could hold her in your arms? If you want to see them, and you can't find a job in Norway, the logical thing to do would be to fight for their citizenship here in the states and have them sent down. If they aren't willing to do that for you, and for themselves, something else is going on in that relationship. Also, I have 3 teenage friends who live in Norway who had no issues finding a job, what is making it so difficult for you? Are you just not looking very hard, or do you have a criminal record worse than I do? [/b][/quote] Wow, you must love to assume things which you do not even have first hand knowledge in. Do me a favor, try not to be such a beligerent prick when talkin to someone that knows more than you do about certain situations. Also, don't assume a DAYUM thing about mine and my wife's relationship. You know nothin about it and I have not insinuated anything that would make a person think that somethin else is goin on. Do you even have a family?? Kids of your own?? If you don't, then I would suggest that you keep your retarded words to yourself. Gratz, you have made a fool of yourself. In the future, do not speak to me in such a manner, for I have not spoken to you in such a manner before this.
What a story [/b][/quote] I am bein real. This is my 3rd time back to the States and even though, I have a job, I am willin to sacrifice it to be with my family again. I don't care if I don't get a job up in Norway, all that matters to me is my wife and my daughters. [/b][/quote] Have fun pursuing the male model in a relationship while not being able to support your family. If you love someone you should be able to put aside your personal relationship with them in order to assure they can live. Or are you so selfish that you would drop everything you are doing to support your family just so you could hold her in your arms? If you want to see them, and you can't find a job in Norway, the logical thing to do would be to fight for their citizenship here in the states and have them sent down. If they aren't willing to do that for you, and for themselves, something else is going on in that relationship. Also, I have 3 teenage friends who live in Norway who had no issues finding a job, what is making it so difficult for you? Are you just not looking very hard, or do you have a criminal record worse than I do? [/b][/quote] Wow, you must love to assume things which you do not even have first hand knowledge in. Do me a favor, try not to be such a beligerent prick when talkin to someone that knows more than you do about certain situations. Also, don't assume a DAYUM thing about mine and my wife's relationship. You know nothin about it and I have not insinuated anything that would make a person think that somethin else is goin on. Do you even have a family?? Kids of your own?? If you don't, then I would suggest that you keep your retarded words to yourself. Gratz, you have made a fool of yourself. In the future, do not speak to me in such a manner, for I have not spoken to you in such a manner before this. [/b][/quote]No, im just a jerk, and an asshole, and what I said is an educated college level assessment based on what you said. You know, college, ie education, maybe if you had some you would be able to find a job. I don't have kids, don't want them, and I am not tied down, I fool around atm with 3 girls. However, I do have a fourth girl who is a prospect that I am working the angles on. Either you aren't trying hard enough to find a job in Norway, because as I said I know of 3 16 year olds who make more money out there than I could make out here in USD with a college education, or there is something prohibiting you from finding a job in Norway. If that is the case, your family should move down here, and not you leave your job, the one in which you are supporting your family on, to be together. That's actually a logical assessment, care to prove me wrong, provide more insight, or if that is correct and all you can do is attempt to claim I am being an ignorant fool while providing nothing that shows I am, you can shut up.
I am bein real. This is my 3rd time back to the States and even though, I have a job, I am willin to sacrifice it to be with my family again. I don't care if I don't get a job up in Norway, all that matters to me is my wife and my daughters. [/b][/quote] Have fun pursuing the male model in a relationship while not being able to support your family. If you love someone you should be able to put aside your personal relationship with them in order to assure they can live. Or are you so selfish that you would drop everything you are doing to support your family just so you could hold her in your arms? If you want to see them, and you can't find a job in Norway, the logical thing to do would be to fight for their citizenship here in the states and have them sent down. If they aren't willing to do that for you, and for themselves, something else is going on in that relationship. Also, I have 3 teenage friends who live in Norway who had no issues finding a job, what is making it so difficult for you? Are you just not looking very hard, or do you have a criminal record worse than I do? [/b][/quote] Wow, you must love to assume things which you do not even have first hand knowledge in. Do me a favor, try not to be such a beligerent prick when talkin to someone that knows more than you do about certain situations. Also, don't assume a DAYUM thing about mine and my wife's relationship. You know nothin about it and I have not insinuated anything that would make a person think that somethin else is goin on. Do you even have a family?? Kids of your own?? If you don't, then I would suggest that you keep your retarded words to yourself. Gratz, you have made a fool of yourself. In the future, do not speak to me in such a manner, for I have not spoken to you in such a manner before this. [/b][/quote]No, im just a jerk, and an ------, and what I said is an educated college level assessment based on what you said. You know, college, ie education, maybe if you had some you would be able to find a job. I don't have kids, don't want them, and I am not tied down, I fool around atm with 3 girls. However, I do have a fourth girl who is a prospect that I am working the angles on. Either you aren't trying hard enough to find a job in Norway, because as I said I know of 3 16 year olds who make more money out there than I could make out here in USD with a college education, or there is something prohibiting you from finding a job in Norway. If that is the case, your family should move down here, and not you leave your job, the one in which you are supporting your family on, to be together. That's actually a logical assessment, care to prove me wrong, provide more insight, or if that is correct and all you can do is attempt to claim I am being an ignorant fool while providing nothing that shows I am, you can shut up. [/b][/quote] Well, a college education means little when actually settlin down and raisin kids. You obviously have no clue what it is to be a man. Your assessment is completely unresearched and completely thoughtless. Yet, you still continue to assume things that you have no knowledge of. Gratz, you not only proved that you are a fool, but a jerk and an ------ as well. 3 girls you say and tryin to get a 4th?? I didn't know your hand counted as girls. You must lead a very lonely life. This is no attempt on claimin anything about you, its based on fact. Fact that your words alone prove me right. As for your 'friends' havin a job in Norway, well, you have yet to provide concrete proof, so I will base your BS on hearsay and dismiss it as such. You have no clue what I am goin through and your petty attempts at tryin to seem superior, have failed. I do not have to explain myself to you, so until you get married and have kids of your own, I suggest that you keep your petty words to yourself or do I have to point your posts to the main Admin and have him/her take action against you?? I have no desire to incite a Flame War, yet, for all your infantile arrogance, you just love to start such wars and obviously love to hear yourself talk. P.S. Education is meaningless without wisdom and experience. Looks like you still have much to learn.
Yeah, you see, I was living with a girl for nearly a year, thought she *could* be the one, but that didn't work out so hot, and then I decided... hell I'm only 20, maybe I should just mess around and have fun. If you need proof of the girls I am hooking up with, I have provided proof to numerous members of the IRC. You see, I enjoy sex. I am good at sex, and women don't mind coming to me for sex. I have a very simple no strings attached friends with benefits booty call style of relationship with all 3 girls. The fourth may actually turn out to be a relationship, but I don't really put that on high priority. I get checked for all common STDs on a quarterly basis, those being Syphilis, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Herpes, AIDS, Warts, and Crabs because I know that I am not the only one sleeping with numerous women, and those women I am sleeping with probably aren't only sleeping with me. Matter of fact, plenty of girls I have hooked up with are here on this very forum, and they know each other, and they are perfectly okay with it (you can check my post history, a few of them made it public). Oh, and during that one year I paid $900 a month for rent, $300/mo for our health insurance, $300 more for our car insurance, $300 for groceries, about $150 for bills, about... $200 more for recreational dining, AND I saved money to put her through college in addition to other expenses I paid for in order to provide for my family. Let's see, that is what... over $2000/mo on a 17/18 year old salary with *no* help from mommy and daddy (and I don't have a daddy, so really just mommy), and WELL above the costs of living in *any* country. Obviously now that I am indeed older I make quite a substantial bit more money. Again, you have not yet given ANY information which would prove me wrong, ignorant, or a fool based on psychological profiling (which, btw, is what I went to school for). If you want to prove me wrong so much, you can do what I said in the last post, and post something that proves me wrong, or you can sit back like a champ and virtually admit that I am correct by shutting up. In the event you don't want your personal information spread, you should also sit back, and you shouldn't have engaged in attempting to call myself a fool or ignorant without any basis of fact to disprove my statements. This is what I have to go on - You were a homeless guy with internet access hooking up with women in a Yahoo chat room.... okay, I don't think I need to break that down even more than it already is for you to see the point I am trying to make with that. "I believe in love. I have been married to a beautiful Norwegian Goddess for over 6 years and come May will be our 7th Anniversary. I am currently not with her because I couldn't find work in Norway, so I am in the States. Finally got a job, but can't stand being away from her. So, I will be going back there. Most likely for good." Let's see here, you are involved in a long distance *marriage* in which you found your bride, once again, in a Yahoo chat room. You were homeless before, and now you can't find a job. I have news for you, I have put in literally thousands of hours at a local homeless shelter by the name of the Denver Rescue Mission because it is ran by my cousin in laws father. Almost every person who is homeless made piss poor decisions and don't have the will power to turn themselves around. This is why we take them in, clean them up, feed them, and find homes which are paid for in advance and try to put them through community college or at least get them a GED, and then put them into a curriculum which helps them find a job. Most of the time, after a few months of being under constant supervision and treated like toddlers, they grow up to be... good enough to work a job somewhat stable. So, with you being 'homeless' and 'couldn't find work back in Norway' I am inclined to believe, from personal experience, that you are an individual who has a history of making poor choices, and lack the push necessary to be successful in life. This is further reinforced by the fact you MET YOUR WIFE IN A PUBLIC CHAT ROOM. I don't know, your whole story just screams laziness, lack of drive, in general you make poor choices, and now you want to move back to your family, in Norway, a place in which you said yourself you can't find a job. From how it sounds, you are the only one providing for your family, which is why you went to such lengths as, well I don't know, maybe something like flying half the world away from your family to support them. The choice to drop the job you found out here and move back home because you are home sick only puts stress on your entire family and relationship. The wise choice would be to have your family move down to the states, where you are currently working. I mean, it's only logical that if you are feeling so strongly about your wife and family, that they should feel the same, should they not? Pardon me if you aren't the primary money maker in your family, which is a loosely based assumption because of my traditional family values that the man makes the money in the household to support the family as his primary job in the family. edit: For the record, Logical and I do the most of the non-small admin stuff (Draven doing his fair share too), and Shaggy comes to both Logical and I regardng decisions made on and for the forum because we are the two admins here which are the most intertwined with the forum. You can choose to complain, but the most you will get is the administrative team laughing at the report behind your back and attempting to care up front. Also, this isn't flaming, this is a heated, logical debate. If I felt like flaming you, I would have simply moved your posts and my posts into a new topic in the Last Word and ripped you a new one.
Well, dem, you can always try to use your education if you so choose. However, you lack the experience to come up with anything objective. As for me, you don't know anything about me, so if I were you, I would cease your retarded assumptions and keep my mouth shut. You have already proven that you know nothin of commitment. Thus, your logic and education play no factor. While you may THINK that my wantin to go back is a 'bad choice', you fail to realize that you have never been in my position. Thus, your words will be dismissed as retarded as well as your claims of such an education. Perhaps you should place yourself in my shoes. I can assure you that you would change your point of view when you see what I am goin through. Alas, you have no clue and you have already proven it. 3 girls and the 4th you think will turn into a relationship?? One thing you have yet to learn is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. When you truly become a man, then you can continue. Until then, do not come at me with your idiocy and hypocrisy. P.S. I have nothin to explain to you, for you have shown yourself to be immature. Grow up. Workin in a shelter does not give you carnal knowledge of homeless people. I suggest that you take a refresher course in humanity. Its clear that you lack that trait.
I don't want to butt in the arguement but I think the reason this is still going on is because he's thinking logical, and your thinking emotional.
balls. [/b][/quote] Well, lets recap on what dementia has said. College education. Great work, yet does not show proper criteria in this debate. Says that he has 3 girls and tryin to have a relationship with a 4th. He is either a wannabe player or has no clue how to commit. Claims that just because I want to be with my family, that I am makin a bad move. Claims that just because I was homeless, that I am incapable of makin sound choices. Claims that workin in a shelter gives him carnal knowledge of the homeless. My take on his idiotic words: A college education is good, yet what good is learning about somethin, when one has yet to actually do it?? Just because he went to school for somethin, does not give him an inside view of the topic. You had to have been in a REAL situation such as mine to have TRUE experience. Havin sex with 3 girls with no strings attached does not make you man. It simply proves that you are a fool with somethin to prove. Adolesence is such a burden, its a wonder why he even bothers. I bet that he is one that brags to his 'homies' how many girls he has banged. Tryin to get into a relationship, while bein a wannabe player is like tryin to run before learnin how to walk. You try to show yourself to be a 'man', yet your words scream hypocrisy. A man would do ANYTHING to do and be with his family. If I sacrifice my happiness to be with them, that is what a MAN would do. Dementia worked in a shelter, yet was never homeless. More hypocrisy on his part. Just because you saw what it is like, does not mean you actually know what it is like. You have never experienced the hopelessness of that situation. 9 times out of 10, it is extremely difficult for a homeless person to start anew. How I feel about Dementia: He is a child. 20 years old and claimin to know more than one that has been through such situations. You are not earnin any points, Dem. Nor are you impressin anyone with your words. You still have much to learn about life. I never went to college and I don't care to even go. I am content to be with my family, even if I can't get a job. I may have a job now, however, its not cuttin it. You still have much to experience, for you are still young. I am not sorry about what I said to you, because what I said is true. You need to grow up and start actin like an adult. I don't give a damn if you claim to have 3 teenage friends that are 'makin more money than you'. That is hearsay. And even if it were true, you have no clue how it is up in Norway. The cost of living up there is more than it will EVER be here in the States. So, regardless of how much they are makin, that means little when you compare it to one that knows how the country works. Even if they are workin up there, I can say for 100% certainty that they do not have it that good there. Teenagers in Norway don't work. They go to school, they party (if Norwegians knew what a real party even was), they try to be AMERICAN. They are fake, just as you are fake. So, until you know what it means to be a man, I would learn to live your life right. Cause at the rate you are goin, it is YOU that made the bad choice. All his so-called logic counts for nothing without the experience to back it up. I, on the other hand, can speak on both sides. He is not speakin logically. How can one use logic without experience?? Its simple, you can't. So, you do just as he has done. You make assumptions. And we all know that assumptions are the mother of all ------ ups. Further more, why do y'all men think that emotions make us weak?? Its what makes us human. You get angry, thats an emotion. You get sad, thats an emotion. You get happy, well, you know the drill. If men and women suppressed their emotions, nobody would be healthy mentally as well as physically. I speak from experience, Dementia does not. That is why I know more than he does.
So, once again, you fail to provide *anything* to prove me wrong when my 'assumptions' are defined, proven, and backed by experience. Your choice, not mine. This just further reinforces my statements. You can't provide a simple fact to shut me up, and yet you can't shut up and just acknowledge you are a screw up and that I was correct. If you want to play the 'you've never been homeless and desperate' game, you are very mistaken, I have overcome more obstacles in my life than the average high school chemo patient. Perhaps *you* shouldn't be so quick to judge. Those that actually *know* me know about the early years of my life and what I went through. The thing is, if the 4th is a relationship (and she knows about the other 3) then I won't be with the other 3. You really aren't that intelligent, are you? While I may be a pussy hound, and love fooling around, if you think that guys like me don't have that hole in their life that can't be filled without a relationship, you are also, very mistaken. I never have, and never will, cheat on a woman I am passionately involved with, and those that I am not passionately involved with *know* that I am fooling around with other people, as I of course am happy in knowing they are messing around as well. The funniest thing about this is, I mean outside the fact you claim to be a 32 year old man and you are losing an argument against a 20 year old online who is simply here trolling at this point, is that at the age of 25/26 you were homeless and rather than seeking a job or home... you were on a Yahoo chat room doing soul searching. This is all fine though, as its quite clear you either don't see you have an issue, or you simply can't own up to it, which means you aren't ready for the healing process of the mistakes in your life, despite that they occured 7+ years ago.
See the above post. No where did I claim it made me any more or any less of a man. The fact remains I have been on my own for the past 4 years, completely alone, and taking care of myself, and will continue to. I also don't need to brag to friends, my ego is already too large to bother bragging about something so small. Once again, a stupid assumption. A family would do anything to be with their support, if they actually cared. It is *STUPID* and *ILLOGICAL* for you to leave your job, the one thing which is stability and support, to invest in a selfish endevour to be with your family. They can just as easily come out to you, and live with you, with no loss of stability to themselves, but obviously that isn't happening (by the way, this is the simplified version of what I have been stating since the beginning). Also incorrect. You know nothing about me, but if you took the time to read my posts you might actually know something. The first 10 years of my life I was beaten, raped by a male 3-5 times a week, went through the foster system, lived with a druggy mother when I did live with her, and lived on the street in between homes. Perhaps you should learn to assume less. The difference between me and you? I took what I learned from the experience and turned it into strength. I have been on my own, fully self supported since the age of 16. This means supplying myself with a home, food, bills, job, car, etc. I received help from *NO ONE* and I don't take hand outs. Once again, maybe if *YOU* didn't assume so much you would know this. You are *STUPID* to not go to college. You know why? Because it is so accessible to ANYONE, and the modern society nearly requires that you have one to live. You may be content to be with your family, how are you going to feel when you lose your job and they lose their home because of your selfish actions. You don't know how to take care of them if that is even a logical thought in your mind. Sorry, but I do have 3 teenage friends who are perfectly able to support themselves in Norway, sorry you are incapable of owning up to your inability to take care of yourself and your family when a teenager could do better. I am not fake at all, I came to terms with my life, and I do everything I can to avoid the life I used to live. I don't need to front anything, in the real world or online, and I can prove nearly each thing beyond a reasonable doubt said here in this topic and each other post of mine on this site, or msn conversation, or irc coversation or nearly anything I have said online period. It is *YOU* who is failing to provide proof. It is *YOU* who is not accepting responsibility for your lack of responsibility. Stop making assumptions old man. The poster above was correct. You are posting emotionally, I am posting logically.
More assumptions?? Man, you really do need to grow up. Have you ever decided to think that you are the one that is losin this 'arguement'?? Don't try to analyze somethin when you have no experience. Let me put it in a way that you can understand. Lets say that you learn a trade and wish to go out in the field. Yet, you can't get your foot in the door to land the job that you seek. Education is nothin without experience. Therefore, you have no position to speak to me in the manner that you are tryin to take. Now, we can let it go at that, cause I have nothin to explain to you nor do I answer to you. I AM 32 and you are a 20 year old boy with much to learn. Your past is irrelevant in this debate. The topic is called love, not Dementia's Wannabe Player Fling. Keep on makin assumptions, you just continue to prove me right. Now, if I could ignore your adolescent ass, I would. Unfortunately, your account is immune to such action. So, I think I speak for everyone when I say that you should get back on the actual topic, or should we just close this and upset quite a few people because you decided to go on a 'I went to college' trip??
I started up my own web design business. 0 experience, 0 education, huge success. Wanna know why? I know how to succeed and to pull through, and I analyzed my position logically. Sure, I could continue my college career, I could seek out a doctorate and become a psychologist, making the same amount of money as I currently am, but being in a far higher stress related environment. Not a smart, or logical decision. I know what its like to take something out of nothing and do something with it, you are the one assuming here. You clearly were not on the right path, because at the age of 25 to 26 you were homeless, that means *you* fucked up buddy. Sorry, own up or get out. Things happen in life because of what you make of them. Really this is all I have been looking for, in that you acknowledge your a **** up. Yes, for my own sick little game, I like playing around with people when I am bored. Oh wow, so you lack the willpower to not respond to a post I make... that sure shows self security and will power...
oh good, I was in the middle of reading one of these posts when i changed page and it was gone. I was so confused. GO DEM LOLOLOL
