America Vs. Iran

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  1. dinges

    dinges Senior Member

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    I though Asterix and obelix were the most brave :unsure:

    you're right btw, wars aren't bad per se,
    quoting my teacher:

     
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    Quoting my teacher :
    And ehm, i'm the bravest Belgian? :lol:
     
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    I read that before too in a biographical book about Marx with an introduction to his influences and stuff. War with Iran will be inevitable I mean we sold them ----ty F15s and didnt even help them repair them. Its only a matter of time before Iran gets an air force up and running and interferes with american interest.
     
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    Unless Iran attacks Israel, the U.S. isn't going to do anything. Even if Iran is going to build a nuke to wipe out Israel, it will take a few years so expect war in 2008.
     
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    My opinion: It scares the living snot out of me.

    Why? Well, think again of 9/11. Would it really be that difficult for a nuke to be loaded onto a plane, and then piloted into a building?

    Saying that though, I also agree that the US government seem to have a fetish with invading Arab countries..

    For those above me who say war progresses humanity, I agree in some respects. But, this is slightly different. This is a new age, with extremely destructive weapons. Sure, war brings about change. But nuclear war would bring about extinction.
     
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    War used to be a good method to make a change in the way things go. War can end dictatorship, war can be a last resort and war can stimulate people to fight back for their rights.

    But todays wars are just stupid. One country gets angry because other don't have the same believes as they do, and thus are wrong/bad. Another country gets angry because they feel threatened. Resulting in a fight and constant torment, based on words. This goes on and on untill someone threatens with weapons, in a response the other country starts a war. And nowadays war is an excuse for allmost everything.

    If we can't even be smart enough to prevent these childish wars, then we deserve it in my opinion. I know it's just a small group of peole who start war, but unfortunately that small group has a lot to say on world-scale. One country houses people of a large religion, and the other country is so stupid to point their finger to everyone who looks the same, and claim that everyone with that particular religion is bad.

    In my opinion, a world without any religion would be the best method to prevent most wars at least the ones without a good reason. It's the religion that tells people to start a war in order to make the world "a better place". (centuries ago people religious people called "other looking" people witches, and demanded to burn them).

    yes i'm atheist.
     
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    agree with you mostly, allthough having no religions would cause a great lose of diversity, it would definitly benefit world-peace.
    If you just got rid of the fundamentalists (including The Iranian president and the pope) that would be a great start :tongue:
     
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    Banning religions would be a really good start indeed ^^

    But there will allways be wars, world peace is fiction.
     
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    yes, probably people will find other resons to hate everyone else (lol this reminds me of a fairly odd parents episode :tongue: "we are the greyest of all grey blobs!")
     
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    Yeah, then we can start hating each other because our hats are different.

    Banning religion solves nothing. Banning idiots does.
     
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    Indeed. Thats right. Idiots ruin religion.
     
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    world war I
    world war II
    the gulf war

    ehh yeah...
     
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    WWI - entered a war of agression (one Germany started) already going on for three (3) years because our citizens and our allies were attacked. The citizens were the final straw.

    WWII - entered a war of agression (one Germany/Italy/Japan started) over a Japanese attack on our military.

    Korea - entered a war of agression (one North Korea started by invading South Korea) on a UN mandate to defend the South Koreans

    Vietnam - entered a war of agression (one started by North Vietnam against the South Vietnamese) because of the attacks in the Tonkin Gulf on our warships (ones in international waters - read: safe and free passage for all). Military advisors were sent to South Vietnam prior to this at the request of their government. Combat troops were sent in after the Tonkin Gulf incident.

    Lebanon (conflict but it'll illustrate the point) - Entered as peacekeeping troops.

    Grenada - Waged war along the guidelines of the Monroe Doctrine (no foriegn power is going to come into our backyard, basically) and to stop communist forces from building a military airfield on the island.

    Libya - Bombed one Muammar Qaddafi and his command structure because of his sponsorship of terrorist attacks including the hijacking of TWA Flight 847 which killed (hijackers executed) an off-duty US Navy sailor and TWA Flight 800 which was bombed over the UK, also resulting in the death of US citizens.

    Panama - Entered as a response to one Manuel Noriega's killings of US troops, both on and off-duty in the Canal Zone, an area that was US territory at the time.

    Gulf War I - Entered a war of agression (one Iraq started by invading Kuwait) on a UN mandate to liberate Kuwait.

    Somalia - Entered initially as peacekeeping troops under UN mandate, eventually turning into a manhunt for a warlord responsible for the killings of US troops and other foriegn peacekeepers.

    Kosovo - Entered the conflict under UN mandate to stop one Slobodan Milosevic's genocide and war of agression.

    Attacks on Afghanistan, 1998 - Response to the US embassy bombings by al-Qaeda in Tanzania and Kenya.

    There are your major wars and conflicts of the twentieth century. Any questions?
     
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    With the immense amount of stupidity people display in this age, it will be physically, probably even mentally, impossible to ban every idiot around. *sighs* Such a shame. Religion CAN be problematic, though. For instance, you know what is the nice thing Allah has ever told his people? Here is an example:

    "They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper"

    Yes, that's a real nice one, eh? Religion is not the main problem, though. Never will be. With places showing hate like the WestBoro Church and Fundamentalists, it gives religion a bad name. Religion, in fact, is supposed to be a good thing, not a hate compilation. As quoted from the Christian Bible: "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".

    This is more or less England Vs. Iran, not America Vs. Iran, by the way. English troops were captured, though, like Ferret's incredibly informative list of wars suggests, America could get involved if it becomes a full-flesh war, though.

    I believe the British soldiers were set free, though, right? If so, then this situation is not really something of importance. Only time will tell, though. Only time will tell....
     
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