A Little More Indepth

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  1. Amergin

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    Did concept die?
     
  2. concept

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    No lol :( I've been really busy I'm trying to do your comment ATM but I only get a few minutes here and there lol I'll have it up in a little bit or by tomorrow I've been meaning to post up that I'm sorry for taking so long lol
     
  3. Kwayetus

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    Well, I posted this on Clash's thread but wanted your opinion as well.

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    Well, it's not a masterpiece at all so advice would really be appreciated. :p

    EDIT :

    This one too :
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    Hello there!

    Let me just say, nice posting! Awesome thread and good idea. I've read all your post concerning this thread and I must say that I am amazed by your brilliant eye and criticism. I got fascinated by the thread's comments and the arts of each individual!

    My only suggestion, get THIS DAMN GOOD THREAD STICKED!!!

    Cause seriously, scrolling and searching was a pain in the a**

    But anyway, I could really use your help. So if you don't mind and when ever you got time:

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    Help yourself to deliver some good C&C!

    Thanks a bunch in advances!

    ELPIDA-
     
  5. concept

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    Be posting in a minute :) Finally got time sorry guys <3
     
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    and......nothing lol.....hes had a heartattack im sure
     
  7. concept

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    Thank you :) It's nice to hear comments like that <3

    I'm sorry I took so long guys :( I've been really busy, and haven't been able to get a lot of free time.

    Now on to amergins C&C sorry I took so long :)

    A Little More Indepth

    Signature Reference.

    Signature #1
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    Signature #2
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    Signature #3
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    Good.
    - Color usage, I like the way you implemented your color in the first to tags, but I dislike the over powering purple in the 3rd signature.
    - Different contrast style, usually you contrast a signature to make it look better, but you used it for a grudgy kind of look. Though I slightly dislike it because it might be a bit too strong, it's still nice to see someone use contrasting in a different form to make art. It's not my favorite style, and it's a little bit overly contrast in Signature #1
    - Backgrounds, I have to applaud you, your backgrounds fit beautifully into your signatures.

    Bad.
    - Font/Text Placement. It's not completely horrible, but I don't like where you placed it or the size, it's not complimenting the tags, now it doesn't ruin the tags, I just don't feel that its helping them either.
    - No structure. You have great art, but it's kind of random and even though that's not a horrible thing, it helps a signature come together more, so even if the art looks random, there is more of a base idea out of it and you get the idea of your art out even better and ut has a solid flow. You always want your effects to center around your focal in anyway possible, so the public's eyes can gradually move over while viewing the effects and focal without any disturbing clashes

    Highlights/Shadowing.
    Even though you were using an exposure contrast style, you still have highlights and shadows. Yours fit together alright, except Signature #2 you have an overpowering whiteness coming from the right side of the tag. Thus creating an amount of great negative space and taking away from your focal as well.

    Depth.
    You know pretty well what your doing, but you don't have a complete sense of depth. You need to work on your highlighting and shadowing to help improve this.

    Shading is basically rule #1 when it comes to depth, and also when you combine imagery. If your shading, color, depth, and quality don't fit correctly it's easy to tell that it's not an image that was originally apart of a peice. Which in doing so throws off the flow of the signature and makes that part of the artwork stick out and seem misplaced. In Signature #1 you have this conflict with your main focal and the left side of the tag.

    Signature #1 - A Quick Review.

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    Good
    - Good coloring mix with the contrast

    Bad
    - The left side of the signature.
    - You could dim down the contrast a bit

    Commentary
    The left side of the signature is a big chaotic clump that takes up to much room and has completely no depth to it. It looks like you took a two pictures and put them together on the seam of the face and the effect it doesn't fit because of the way it's implimented into the tag.

    Room for improvement?
    - I personally would because this peice could be even better with some tweaking.

    Signature #2 - A Quick Review.

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    Good
    - Background

    Bad
    - Dislike the text
    - Negative space
    - Focal Conflict

    Commentary
    You always want to have one position of the signature to have the focus, tearing someones eye's in two ways just doesn't work because it makes there eyes bounce between the two, or distract them and make them curious to look away from your main focus.

    Room for improvement?
    - Definitely, this is worth going back to fix.

    Signature #3 - A Quick Review.

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    Good
    - Idea
    - Render and it's usage in this tag

    Bad
    - Could use some refinement
    - Random effect over the right side of her hair
    - To much of the same purple tone.
    - This should have been on a bigger canvas
    - Background is too plain.

    Room for improvement?
    - Definitely, this is worth going back to fix.

    My Advice...
    Now having a style you like is nice, but branch out a bit, I'm sure you have but these 3 signatures are very similar to each other, color wise as well as in style. You have very unique idea's I like what you've done and hope too see more :)
     
  8. concept

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    I'm glad you can handle my honesty, considering I wont give anything other than that :)

    A Little More Indepth

    Signature Reference.

    Signature #1
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    Good.
    - Color choice
    - You have a lot of room to improve.

    Bad.
    - Use of text, and placement.
    - Blending
    - Depth
    - Effects
    - Background
    - No Structure, completely random and has no flow
    - Your tag is very empty, and everything is floating around with no real place or reason, and your only real effect is on the render and thats it.


    Text.
    All I can really say is you text is quite bad and you deffinitely should try and get some text and font idea's from other signatures.

    Background.
    Your background is just a solid color.

    Sometimes that type of simplicity is nice, it's usually hard to place into a signature and have it compliment something.

    I don't understand why you have a random image on the right with an extremely bright ray of white going over it.

    Blending.
    Blending is probably one of the most useful things you can do in a signature. If you have no blending it looks like you just have a bunch of random stuff floating around in a small rectangle.

    Which is what your problem is.

    You need to put things together blend them and make it look like it's all natural.

    Effects.
    In your signature you only have a little bit of effects. and only on top of the render. Usually a better use for effects is to have them surrounding the render to draw the eye to the render, or to a focal point and help create flow.

    Once again though you have way to little of everything. So even if you wanted to you couldn't really do much on the blending end because of the emptiness.

    Depth.
    Depth - "A basic effect used to trick the eye using object size, color, shading, and visibility"
    - It's Usage: Make it seem like there is distance between specific points in a signature. Direct your eyes to the focal.

    Make sure you add depth to your signatures as well. Depth is used in many ways, even though I just gave a definition for it that doesn't mean those are it' s only uses. It gets more complicated realistically. Shading, and/or Highlights and Shadowing is usually where artists will usually start off with. Whether they do it knowingly or not, it's a basic tactic when making art just by natural instinct. It's not always wonderfully refined or perfect but it is there. Like your signature for instance, you have depth, but it's a sloppy simple way to display it when dealing with art.

    Signature #1 - A Quick Review.

    Signature #1
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    Good
    - Coloring choice

    Bad
    - Text
    - Blending
    - Depth
    - Effects
    - Background
    - No Structure, completely random and has no flow.
    - Use a smaller canvas

    Room for improvement?
    - Definitely, I think you still have a lot to learn.


    My Advice...
    Look around for some tutorials and mess around with your program a bit to get familiar with it. Start off with a smaller canvas, you have way to much room and I'm guessing it's a hard challenge for you to fill that right now.
     
  9. Kay87

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    ty very much, heh it was an attempt at something new...a failed attemp but love you honesty, currently working on a new one, not sure wether ill scrap trying something new for now, and jump back to a old way until i get an idea of what im doing.
     
  10. concept

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    I don't see you improving in this tag, TBH you kinda went back a little bit.


    A Little More Indepth

    Signature Reference.

    Signature #1
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    Good.
    - Layout
    - Depth, you diffinately are getting the points I was making with depth. This is probably the best signature you've made depth wise

    Bad.
    - Use of text, and placement.
    - Blending
    - Background
    - Lighting
    - Boarder

    Text.
    I keep having to repeat with you michigan!!!! :)

    Don't try to make your text so flashy yet. You barely can get a good sense of placement with your text, let alone make it flashy at the same time. Your going over board with it. Start off by keeping it simple and to solid coloring. Then once you get the hang of text placement move on to making it look better as well.

    Either way the text effects your adding, are just gross looking. They're not very appealing and they make the text very hard to read because of your size and placement.

    Background.
    I don't understand the reasoning for your background in this, you were starting to get the hang of using other images and creating a good background. Even if you wanna stop using stocks for backgrounds I don't see how a gradient layer, or a few soft brushings is supposed to look appealing with a little bit of junk on the sides. I can't even make out what you were trying to go for in the background sides the lightning.

    Color Scheme.
    It's about time I finally got a little more indepth with coloring. Your the perfect example for coloring michiganice.

    You keep a very monotone look to your signatures, except a few that I've seen. By monotone I mean the same coloring. All you have is redish pink, and red for coloring. Even though the pokemon has white on it and you use a yellow lightning strike, the main color is a red base. You wanna keep to a minimum of 3 different colors in a signature. Now I don't mean just lightly adding yellow into the signature and wah lah you followed my rules. You need to add it into the base color the most visual part of the signature.

    Don't stick to just normal coloring, use darker tones and experiment with different shades. Bright reds and other basic colors are rarely used when you make a signature. It's usually an offset of the color, never a true RGB.

    Effects.
    In your signature you only have a little bit of effects. and only on top of the render. Usually a better use for effects is to have them surrounding the render to draw the eye to the render, or to a focal point and help create flow.

    Once again though you have way to little of everything. So even if you wanted to you couldn't really do much on the blending end because of the emptiness.

    Lighting.
    You still don't have a good concept of lighting.

    Your pokemon already had lighting on it, but you insisted on putting a soft brush yellow glow on top of it off to the right. Actually this is a very bad job on lighting including the lighting in the background.

    If you were going with a different style the background wouldn't be so bad, but because you like to use large amounts of hue'd C4D it doesn't look good and it clashes because you have a soft lighting and soft background, compared to the overly toned C4D with it's mass amounts of highlights and shadow.

    Signature #1 - A Quick Review.

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    Good
    - Layout
    - Depth

    Bad
    - Text
    - Blending
    - Depth
    - Background

    Room for improvement?
    - Definitely, I think you still have a lot to learn.

    My Advice...
    Start working on blending more instead of just plopping a C4D some blure and a hue change with a background. You need to learn how to make everything look similar and flow together, your stocks, renders and backgrounds clash with eachother.
     
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    Thanks :D
     
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    This thread is pretty awesome man. keep up the good work.

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  14. concept

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    Going to post up the rest of the comments in a few days here I'm working on them ATM and just gunna do them all at once
     
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    Sorry for taking soo long btw :)
     

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