People, listen what he is saying, he says he has a budget of 1400. the reason why he is getting a 3000+ venice is because it scheap and can overclock up to 2.7 AT MAX with air flow. Now i have a 3000+ venice and i overclocked mine to 2.6.
Don't even bother with a DFI as the MSI is just as good with a few less overclocking features. Unless hes a pro the MSI will do him fine. Also if you do have extra money in the tank it would be good to move up to a 3200+, if money provides.
I invite you to look at any review on the internet, and you will soon find that THE budget proc to buy is an AMD64 3500+ Venice core. You are looking at an extra 400mHz of processing power over the 3000+ for about $60.00 extra dollars. You would be a fool to not invest your money into a 3500+ for this kind of cost vs. price performance. Either way, I stand by my reccomendation and urge System-M3 to go with that proc instead of the 3000+. Again, 2 gigs of RAM is a waste, especially when on a budget. I would much rather invest that money spent on extra RAM on a better proc or videocard... things that will actually make a bigger difference when playing games. As a side note, I own an MSI mobo myself and love it. I wouldn't think of buying anything else other than an ASUS. And as far as I am concerned, DFI mobos offer too little and charges too much for it.
the 3500+ CPU costs 273.99 without tax canadian..2 pricey for me..ima stick wit 3000+ and learn to over clock..well unless i get my job soon and earn enough money i could get better parts but then ill hav 2 wait till next summer 2 buy da parts!
If you are only getting one videocard, and do not plan to go down the SLI route, why not take the money that would be spent on a near $200.00 mobo and spend it on a 3500+ and go with a single PCI-e x16 mobo solution instead?
Two things. GEt DFI nforce 4. BEST OVERCLOCKER!!!! But if you get the DFI, you have to change the corseair ram. I suggest OCZ.
If you are only getting one videocard, and do not plan to go down the SLI route, why not take the money that would be spent on a near $200.00 mobo and spend it on a 3500+ and go with a single PCI-e x16 mobo solution instead? [/b][/quote] i assume he plans to upgrade in the furure also it is good to keep your options open. why is he getting 939 if 754 is cheaper? options that's why, I wouldn't be surprised that within a few years he goes out and buys a dual core proc.
Good point. =) Socket 754 is cheaper for one reason: it's yesterday's tech, and 939 is AMD's new platform of choice. 754 offers NO options over the 939. That said, the 754 will be retired soon to make way for AMD's new generation of sockets of the future... the 940.
Good point. =) Socket 754 is cheaper for one reason: it's yesterday's tech, and 939 is AMD's new platform of choice. 754 offers NO options over the 939. That said, the 754 will be retired soon to make way for AMD's new generation of sockets of the future... the 940. [/b][/quote] wait, you're telling me that the sempron 64s are crap??? I never would have guessed... no ---- 939 is a better socket, but if your using the same base processor the advantages aren't as huge, I was just pointing out the upgradeability of 939 over 754. I am personally running a 754 and it works fine, I can OC it by 300mhz without even a single 1C raise, I just prefer not to because it allready runs fast enough for me. I plan to give this computer to my mom/her fiance anyway because I will eventually get a job and I have plans on an x2 3800+ or something on the new socket which is being developed especially for the x2s
wow, im replying to something on the first page, running 2 7800's in sli isnt that great, the card allready uses 24 pipelines, you have to drop it to 8 or there wont be enough room on the bus.
Dude, I didn't say that Semperon 64's are crap... I said that they are outdated and due to be retired to make room for the upcoming socket 940's. Sempron 64's still have chops, that goes without saying. But they are still running 13 microns with a bit of a voltage hit... which means less overclockability than the Venice cores which are 90nm. Let's understand that 90nm is smaller than 13 microns, therefore it is better suited for overclocking as its heat signature is lower due to the better SOI process as well as not using as much volts as the 13 micron version of the same proc. Let us also understand that since socket 754 is old and out dated, they do not support the new AMD64 X2's that are out there today. Therefore, as someone pointed out earlier, even if he were to upgrade in the future with a dual core solution, he can't, thanks to his lovely outdated socket 754 board. With a socket 939 board, his upgrade options are one hundred times better than the 754, even IF the 939 is a bit more expensive. That is, in my opinion, a small price to pay to have the ability to upgrade to whatever he wants, be it a FX, X2 or whatever in the future. Getting back on point, there is a big difference between the AMD64 cores, Venice and Sempron. As I mentioned earlier, the manufacturing process, or SOI, is one. The other is voltages and heat issues. Lastly, I beleive that most of the Semprons have only 256K or less L2 cache versus the Venice's which has 512K. Either way, I'm not knocking your 754. I'm just saying that the Venice, while being a bit more expensive, is a better deal than what the Sempron line has to offer.
Dude, I didn't say that Semperon 64's are crap... I said that they are outdated and due to be retired to make room for the upcoming socket 940's. Sempron 64's still have chops, that goes without saying. But they are still running 13 microns with a bit of a voltage hit... which means less overclockability than the Venice cores which are 90nm. Let's understand that 90nm is smaller than 13 microns, therefore it is better suited for overclocking as its heat signature is lower due to the better SOI process as well as not using as much volts as the 13 micron version of the same proc. Let us also understand that since socket 754 is old and out dated, they do not support the new AMD64 X2's that are out there today. Therefore, as someone pointed out earlier, even if he were to upgrade in the future with a dual core solution, he can't, thanks to his lovely outdated socket 754 board. With a socket 939 board, his upgrade options are one hundred times better than the 754, even IF the 939 is a bit more expensive. That is, in my opinion, a small price to pay to have the ability to upgrade to whatever he wants, be it a FX, X2 or whatever in the future. Getting back on point, there is a big difference between the AMD64 cores, Venice and Sempron. As I mentioned earlier, the manufacturing process, or SOI, is one. The other is voltages and heat issues. Lastly, I beleive that most of the Semprons have only 256K or less L2 cache versus the Venice's which has 512K. Either way, I'm not knocking your 754. I'm just saying that the Venice, while being a bit more expensive, is a better deal than what the Sempron line has to offer. [/b][/quote] There are no upcomming 940's all the 64's are being moved over to 939 on 90nm cores. 0.13 microns is 130nm btw.
Gee, I didn't think I needed a lesson in that 0.13 micron is 130nm. Maybe you can teach me that 1 foot equals 12 inches too... :blink: Anyway, as for your comment about socket 940... try bringing more to this discussion than something we already know. I'm talking about the new M2's using 940 pins. Linky 1 Linky 2
I think this has gone into too much info-lol Now he only suggested his budget and ask us about the parts chosen and maybe imrpove slightly but talking about micronss..-lol garetjax i read your stuff your making valid stuff I personally dont like Semprons Im just goin for the SKT939 AMD64 3500+ Cores Slightly more well around £10-20 for me anyway from SKT754 to SKT939 but better performance at the end Up to the buyer on what he wantss Relate to this:
