1 - They were, as a result of Premium Renders being hidden and not available to guests (ie required registration) they turned down the offer. Their 'wait time' for acceptance was close to 2-3 months when we tried. 2 - Mass e-mail was coming in v4, the update to v3 went relatively flawlessly with little / no downtime, but so far we've taken GR down for about a week or more total for v4 work. The idea of a front page is intended to incorporate some graphics oriented news, with gaming reviews and be more of a portal. We intend to expand GR to more than just a basic graphics site, we hope to find writers for proper game reviews, open up portals to games, and a few other ideas.
Turned down the offer? Pixel2life and Good-Tutorials only policy on the matter is that the tutorial you submit not require registration to see. So I'm a bit confused on that regards, can you elaborate? Well, if you are set on having a front page, maybe a simple one that pulls all this content from the forums. Setup staff-posted only forums that can be viewed by everyone, and submit content/news, etc in it. GameRenders has the largest database of renders, and though I'm sure you'd like to turn it into a ----- art community, it's just not going to happen. You can't change a reputation over night of the site with well-placed ideas. If anything, GameRenders should encourage 'noob' artist being here. Setting up a full fledge CMS with what you have in mind takes time, regardless of how much money you throw at it. Every day wasted, is just one more active member that decides to leave the website - making it that much harder to get it back where it was. When Administrators are publically posting that they have no idea in what direction GRv4 is going, communication needs to start flowing. The community has a whole has posted a lot of ideas, or at least opinions on the upcoming changes, and it'd be good if y'all listened. Obviously, at the end of the day, it's up to your discretion. Just my opinion, Andrew
Yeah, they refused to accept it unless we dropped the requirement to register, which we did, re-submitted and never heard back from them. That is largely irrelevant however due to how poor the submissions for premium tutorials were. We don't want to make it a pro art community, it was a possible aspect of version 4, but what we hope to accomplish is making the place more new and advanced user friendly. GR has been notorious for teaching newer artists the ropes and getting them on the way and when they start to mature into better designers they flock to a more advanced community. We want to provide a site where both resources are available and can be shared openly without discrimination towards one or the other. The reason the administration has no clue about where we are going is pretty frank: we don't care. Shaggy is doing something solo and isn't really sharing much information with Sanity and I. I have been busting my ass since being made Global, and even more as an Admin, and frankly the position is unforgiving and thankless. While Sanity has been around a shorter period of time, he's definitely been more active than I have been in that time, especially when it comes to incorporating ideas into v4 (after my initial ideas were submitted nearly 2 years ago). At this point, with this level of activity, with how the "community" here treats the staff, it's members (see: off topic being closed for this reason), and new members, there is very little reason to put a lot of effort into revitalizing a dead community. All of the staff know this, most of the older members know this, it's just a matter of time to be entirely honest. As far as listening to members... frankly I haven't seen anything that hasn't already been suggested before at least 10 times, discussed and dismissed. You yourself dealt with that on multiple occasions. Also, many of the member recommendations serve to benefit themselves rather than the community (such as changes in the marketplace).
Also, on regards of the premium tutorial section: We added it once more recently and tutorials were indeed submitted. But the thing about such sites is that they hardly accept a signature tutorial. That's why I tried adding a few large art tutorials and such, which did get accepted. But it isn't as easy as 1-2-3 to get a tutorial submitted to one of those sites
I've submitted over 40 tutorials in the past to those sites, so I know what ya mean Sanity. That's why I recommended shaggy spend money on unique, or at least, different tutorials for the community instead of all this fancy ----. IPB has everything you need for the most part, and so much work has gone into the forum - which is basically the essence of GameRenders. One thing I felt you guys ------ed up on, and I'd like to see changed, is the forum cut off for topics/post. I understand you're probably trying to trim down the size of the mySQL db, but that really sucked. Not only did it cut off resources that were still active [as i'm sure it cut off mostly inactive resources as well], it cut off a lot of the older content or history of the forum. I know there isn't really anyway to bring this back unless you use an older backup but you can at least prevent this from happening to future topics/post. Dementia: I completely understand. I myself have submitted a lot of suggestions before even shaggy entered the picture, and had them ignored/or turned down by Administration. It's hard to want to see a community progress when the owner isn't sharing or caring. It's easy to tout big ideas, it's harder to deliver them. Subtle changes are often the best. I never understood why sites prefer to unleash a lot of new features at once. I'd be much happier visiting a website that constantly tries to improve itself, and doesn't wait for big versions to do so. When your selling points of a new version of GameRenders are: removing ban filters, mass emailing members, and taking away the reputation/credit system - it's hard to feel excited, nor thrilled. Andrew
Well after reading this Is there anyway I can get a refund for my Plat member ship I only recently paid for it and I dont think I wanna stick around if even the staff is giving up on this site. I can supply the reciept from paypal
Well after reading this Is there anyway I can get a refund for my Plat member ship I only recently paid for it and I dont think I wanna stick around if even the staff is giving up on this site. I can supply the reciept from paypal [/b][/quote] You shouldn't take dementia's outburst so seriously, after all; it's dementia I haven't given up on this site yet and I do believe things will change. But it hasn't go any use to discuss things further about what will happen because we aren't that sure either. Plenty of ideas have been put forward and are waiting to be implemented. Thing is just that Shaggy has decided upon a different route than the originally planned one so we just have to sit things out first. You have to sit them out and we have to sit them out, it's as easy as that.
Well after reading this Is there anyway I can get a refund for my Plat member ship I only recently paid for it and I dont think I wanna stick around if even the staff is giving up on this site. I can supply the reciept from paypal [/b][/quote] First of all, that was stated quite a long time ago, and if my memory serves me correctly, you took it out of context. I think it was dementia that said it, and I believe he was simply making a smart-ass remark to a member. (♥ dem) Secondly, tutorial sites are rarely accepting lately. When I started submitting new tutorials websites such as P2L and 9/10 were denied simply because they weren't "unique enough". They have created such requirements on submitted tutorials that there's really no point in spending the time creating a tutorial that's "unique". I'd rarely people spend the time turning this site around, which I truly still believe is possible--especially if v4 comes on very soon (which it needs to be). Let's face it, there can be excuses and reassurances, but there's no point to it anymore. You just have to get it done and at least try at a revival. If you can't try, then what are you doing on staff? Actually, if you can't try, then what are you even here for?
I didnt take it out of context and it wasnt awhile ago it was posted today and only like 3 posts above yours. When one of the head site admins says he doesnt care about where the site he is admining for is going I have to ask why is he admin? Also if the admins of this site are giving up hope whats the point of a revival or ANYONE sticking around on this site its dying and the admin are just diggin the hole for it. I was planning on sticking around but not anymore I think Gamerenders time has come time to move on to bigger, better and more positive communities here is what he said TODAY at 6:08
Hey Rena - Look up a few post, it was said half an hour ago. Granted, I haven't submitted tutorials in awhile - but Pixel2Life and Good-Tutorials aren't the only sites out there. How many of your tutorials have been posted on deviantART, Sanity? What about joining graphic groups on facebook, and posting the tutorial there? There are many outlets out there to push resouces, content, and try to gain activity. But I agree with you Rena, if something is going to be done - it needs to be done SOON. Regards, Andrew
