Coding As A Webdesigner?

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  1. Reserection.

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    So it comes to my attention that WEB DESIGNERS do not code the websites? like the layouts they make? but it sells for 700-1000 uncoded

    i always thought web designers code their own designs like freelance work? do they?
     
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    whoever told you this was lying.

    No-one gets 1000(currency) for PHOTOSHOPPING a picture of a website, unless the 1000 you are referring to is credits/yen.
     
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    ^your an idiot do some research
     
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    swiiiiiiiing and a miss.
     
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    yeah, not funny man

    you fail now get out of this topic, you came in here just to post stupid crap that is irrelevant to the question i asked.
     
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    http://careers.stateuniversity.com/pages/1...b-Designer.html
    http://www.prospects.ac.uk/cms/ShowPage/Ho...cc&idno=611

    Honestly? I wouldn't hire two people to do the job of one. Neither will anyone else. The very job description of a web designer says that they'll code the template. If they sell it for a lot and don't code it, they're ripping someone off. Especially since it's harder to code it than to make the basic design.

    XeN did answer your question, albeit a bit uneloquently, but he still answered it.
     
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    coders say its harder to design where as designers say its harder to code

    enough said

    how is that answering if webdesigners do code as well ad design, i read that designers design and developers develop
     
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    I've tried both. The thing you're less good at is harder :P. Technically speaking, coding is harder because you have to get it just right, whereas the designing is easier because there's room for error. Then again, some people tell me that drawing is too hard and math is easy, so it's all about the person. Either way, a business owner isn't going to code the site themself.

    http://www.mariosalexandrou.com/free-job-d...b-developer.asp
    http://www.mariosalexandrou.com/free-job-d...b-developer.asp
    http://www.killersites.com/mvnforum/mvnfor...ead?thread=5832

    Looks to me like the web designer does a lot of the web developer's job. Seems a bit like cameramen: photojournalists are being told to do their jobs so that the stations only have to pay one employee.

    Do you believe everything you read? If you read it in a bunch of sources, it's probably true, but that doesn't mean it's always true. Just because he said something that contradicts what you read doesn't mean that he's not answering your question. You asked, he answered.

    In reality, it can go either/or. It probably depends on your level, since all the universities teach that you'll do both. MSN would probably hire an entire team, while a smaller business would expect you to fulfill both roles. If you still need a straight answer, I'll ask my web basics teacher tomorrow (yes, I'm only in web basics). But, your question was related to the sale of someone's services. If you're not full-time with someone, and they're not your client from the beginning, no one is going to buy it if you don't code it.
     
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    Sigh, hypocrisy at its finest.

    You make a thread asking a question the argue the answer everyone gives you? You even call one an idiot who's post was actually relevant to the topic, but then I guess you'd be used to copping abuse so I'm sure any post that COULD be seen as an attack to you; you will take it that way.

    Anyway listen to socsaint if your brain can manage to understand simple text, as he is right.
     
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    thanks for the help tass that was good info on the question i wanted to know
     
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    No problems. Last line was pretty relevant if you asked me.
     
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    well as a coder and a web designer, i would say that each task depends on your experience.

    But obviously coding is more difficult than just using a mouse to design.
     
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    enough said

    how is that answering if webdesigners do code as well ad design, i read that designers design and developers develop
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    well...

    Your question was essentially "do web designers code their own designs?" My response, to paraphrase, was "no."

    HEY DUDE IM AN IDIOT LOL COZ U HERD UTHAWISE AMIRITE? SO LIEK WOT IS DAPOINT IN DIZ TOPIC G?
     
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    This guy pmed me to code his template, but i guess hes banned now.

    Also, theres a bunch of stupid comments in this thread. just to quote a few:
    $1000 for a template haha. perhaps a corporate template with custom identity, stock photos (models) and development, but a premade template? haha

    Though you make some good points, i disagree on this one. Theres nothing wrong with hiring different people for different jobs. Ive started and own several projects, and several times ive hired a designer and different coders for one job (heck one project i had 3 coders working on it). There are some really skilled freelancers that aren't directly connected to a webdesign office and still do a very good job. The best designers i know of can't even code ;)

    Ok here comes:
    HAHAHAHA.

    Just using a mouse to design? How about Just using a keyboard to code? Both can be equally difficult depending on what you're trying to do. Creating a standard template does not require any fancy skill, however the better looking template (and unique ones) can be very difficult to create. try taking a look at Veerles Blog for example.

    I could go on quoting but I've got to be going. :)
     
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    Though you make some good points, i disagree on this one. Theres nothing wrong with hiring different people for different jobs. Ive started and own several projects, and several times ive hired a designer and different coders for one job (heck one project i had 3 coders working on it). There are some really skilled freelancers that aren't directly connected to a webdesign office and still do a very good job. The best designers i know of can't even code ;)[/b][/quote]
    I concede since you obviously have direct experience :P. With my budget though? Yeah... no. But I wouldn't hire anyone with my negative budget :P. I'm going to go out on a limb here with this next comment: if you were after the most bang for your buck, you'd probably only hire one person (which, in my experiences, most businesses are on this side of things). If you were after the best design and had a large enough budget, you'd probably hire a designer and developer. And if you're like me: either you buy a pre-made and coded design, or you create your own. I'm cheap and broke, what can I say?

    If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but that's what I'd do ;)
     

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