President Barrack Obama

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  1. IonMirage

    IonMirage Well-Known Member

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    the thing is both parents have to be US citizens, in Obama's case only his mom was a US citizen
     
  2. AliasMonkey

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    That's not true. Citizenship is rightfully passed through either parent, both your parents do not have to be Citizens. Actually even if neither parent was a citizen as long as he was born on US soil he is a citizen.
     
  3. FlamebirdXZ

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    that would work only in a true democracy
     
  4. AliasMonkey

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    I'm sorry but could you make yourself a bit clearer. What would only work in a true democracy?
     
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    I was answering to this.
     
  6. Sock

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    If only one existed.

    Or could exist, for that matter.
     
  7. ferret

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    Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

    Natural born means born here, does it not? The "at the time of the adoption" bit was because there were many foreign-born people around at the time of the adoption. That part is 200 years out of date. Aaaaaaahnuld is a US citizen, is he not? If Obama can be President and (though highly unlikely, to be honest) not be born here, why can't he? You are a US citizen if your parent(s) is a citizen. However, some citizens are born overseas. Obama may be one of those. Let's see how it plays out.

    Obama meets the qualification of fourteen years, if memory serves me right. He may not meet the natural born part, if what Berg is saying is true. I'm honestly surprised this isn't in the papers, either, but Berg has posted the injunction on his website. It's there.
     
  8. ferret

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    Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

    Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

    * Anyone born inside the United States
    * Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
    * Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
    * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
    * Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
    * Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
    * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
    * A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

    Obama meets the qualification of fourteen years, if memory serves me right. He may not meet the natural born part, if what Berg is saying is true. I'm honestly surprised this isn't in the papers, either, but Berg has posted the injunction on his website. It's there.

    Was Obama's father a US citizen? His mother was, and she lived in the US for most of her life. However, if his father was not a citizen and he was born overseas, he is out of luck.
     
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    * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

    He would fall under this one for sure even if he was born outside of the states. His mother was born and raised in the states, and continues to live here to this day.

    Hes pretty much solidly placed as president. No matter any argument I have heard against him, what you just posted *proves* that regardless of where he was born, or if he changed citizenship overseas and then got it back again, etc. he IS a citizen of the US. From what I can see, there is *no* way that Obama *can't* be a US citizen.
     
  10. ferret

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    Scratch my first post; there's a reason I edited it. I hadn't taken the time to look at the code. Thank you for separating them :rolleyes: .

    (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
    States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
    alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
    the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
    States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling
    not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining
    the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable
    service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of
    employment with the United States Government or with an
    international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of
    title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such
    citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent
    unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
    (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
    (B) employed by the United States Government or an international
    organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included
    in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this
    paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or
    after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become
    effective in its present form on that date; and

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...=Cite:+8USC1401

    That is the full text concerning what you're referring to. The website I first went to did not provide that.

    Obama's mother must have been in the US for five years, two of which were after the age of fourteen. She's got that (born in Kansas, wasn't she?). However, I'm not sure on the meaning of the last part of the article. Stanley Ann Durham was 18 at the time of birth. She was not abroad on government service (if she, in fact, gave birth in Kenya).

    However, another point Berg is making is that Obama traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport, the passport of a nation that does not allow dual citizenship. To get that passport, he would have had to renounce his US citizenship. There's a problem.
     
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    I believe its stating that if you are in service outside of the nation on government duty, you are still considered on US soil for the purpose of claiming years. I don't believe that is a requirement.
     
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    A true democracy is when all people have a place in gov. Which is impossible.
     
  13. mttviper

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    Funny how you single out certain states, you're not much better than the racists. While the vast majority of the Dakotas are white, there is a large black population too. And most the whites don't hate them, and the ones that do you can tell, and are usually shunned and socially awkward.
     
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    ^^^
    Just about anyone can be deemed 'racist' or 'prejudice' or 'stereotypical' basically all the same, just different words. It will be a part of every culture in some way. Also the Dakota's don't have much of a population anyways lol, but that is beside the point.

    Also @ dementia
    Many of the states Obama won were quite close. Only winning by a few percentage points.

    I am happy Obama won, he has a lot of good ideas for this country on a large number of topics. He is a very smart person and I have high hopes for him as president.



    Personally I hate political discussions because of peoples ignorance/lack of knowledge. So I will break free of this topic from here :D
     
  15. CokeClassic

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    I'm not happy he won. But if he follows through with his praised speeches, I won't have any problems with him.

    Also he's the President-Elect as of right now, and he only has one r in his name.
     

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