President Barrack Obama

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  1. pianoman0723

    pianoman0723 Well-Known Member

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    Reasons I didn't vote for Obama:

    1. He doesn't share my fundamental view that everyone has the right to life including the unborn he voted against a ban on protecting babies who survive an abortion.
    2. His judgment on the people he associates with for numbers of years Aryes, Wright ect... At one point he supported and said he couldn't turn on Wright then all of a sudden he leaves Church because of pressure.
    3. His experience a 4 years in the senate 2 of which he was running for president.
    4. Voting present 100+ times on tough issues because he couldn't take a stance on something
    5. Increasing taxes
    6. He doesn't share my view that people don't need the government to take care of them from cradle to grave. Government should be smaller IRS, dpt. of education, and tons of other bureaucracies should be cut.
    7. I don't believe as of now that he is even eligible to be president based on the fact of him hiding his birth records. (Hopefully that changes and he will be cleared of that)
    8. Gun Control I believe that we all have the right to own guns and Obama surely feels different about this.
    9. Spreading the wealth and fairness doctrine. He knows that by raising the capital gains tax that, that will decrease revenue because companies will try to find loopholes to hide there money. For fact lower taxes open people up to expose more of there income this is fact from the Regan years. I believe you should keep what you earn and shouldn't be forced to have money taking from your paycheck to pay for poor people to do drugs. If you want to do out of the kindess of your own heart you can.
    10. He wants this feed the planet tax so our taxes go up so we provide more aid to poor countries. This seems nice but we have no choice our money is being taken from us.
    11. Change I hear so much about change but I don't agree with any of it.
    12. His stance on the war, I believe we shouldn't even be there. We shouldn't have 700+ military bases around the world. Nation building and policing the world is not our job. We live in an Empire and are spending billions on our military we don't have the money for this. We spend money on bombs to blow up iraqi bridges then we spend money fixing them it makes no sense:
    Our foreign policy has some called blow back were the things we do come back and bite us in the butt. We used to support Osama Bin Laden agaisn't the Russians providing money and guns and know we have a massive man hunt from him. Friends one day enemies the next. How would we feel if China or Russia was building military bases near us we would be outraged. I believe the world can solve some of its own problems and we shouldn't be in entangling alliances we should talk and trade with countries.

    That is why I will never support Obama not because he is Black. Thank you!
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    That was a really long way of saying:

    "I didn't vote for Obama because I really love FOX News."
     
  3. dementia

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    His plan for redistribution of wealth only affects those at $42k and higher, which is the national median for single American household income. It is to take from those who make the average amount (ie, out of college basically) and those who make far more than that and help boost peoples abilities at lower levels of income to have the services available to them they don't otherwise have.

    Coming from someone who lived on his own with a very low paying job, I had to sacrifice near essential things like car insurance and health insurance to be able to continue to pay rent, pay for gas, pay my bills, etc.

    Unfortuantely the minimum wage in the nation is not high enough for a single person to support themselves in most modern cultures. Personally I currently live in an area where you need (yes, need) about $1500 to live with the basics of everything (minimal health insurance, minimal car insurance, gas money, food, bills, rent) which means you need to make ~1765 a month base, which is ~440 a week, which then turns into $11/hr. The national average being $6.55. To get a job at $11/hr you need qualifications of some form out where I am, usually years of service or at the bare minimum an associates degree (which really is no better than a GED or Diploma).

    I am not necessarily agreeing with the redistribution of wealth, but I am agreeing that something needs to tbe done about the price of living, especially in major cities, and making it more affordable for those less fortunate who didn't have the money for college, or didn't have the grades, or don't have the skills required to be an entrepreneur and make their own money. For instance, I make abotu $35,000 a year base, but I also do web design on the side which can easily contribute towards an extra $10,000 a *month* if I bust my butt at it. Most people don't have that ability.
     
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    Claps for having no insight on any of the points I made and making a simple one sentence response to categorize my views.

    BTW Fox News fails badly and ignores the important issues at hand and whats at stake for America.
     
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    Well, I can't help but agree with your second statement.

    I didn't provide "insight of any of [your] points" simply because I wasn't looking for a debate or argument. I was looking to insult (yup). Your expected reaction was worth it.

    Not everyone who is in financial need is a lazy drug-user, by the way.
     
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    If I could have voted, I would have voted for Obama. Reasons are because first of all, my parents do not make well over 250 grand a year, so whatever is better for my family of course is what I will go at.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but all in all were all Americans (speaking as if I'm speaking to the Americans ;)) thinking for the country we need change, and Obama's plan for it, is what I think will make this country better. Although the wealthy wont agree, would you rather keep oppressing the poor, or have "The Rich" and the "Regular". If you could think of it that way. (I know its alot more complicated)

    Also things like taking away from purchasing foreign oil, and instead investing money into inventing another way to fuel vehicles...etc.
    Bringing our troops out of Iraq, for the pointless reason of having them there in the first place.

    But either way it turned out, I believe we wouldn't have a corrupt president, I just think Obama was that better choice.
     
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    It's not about making the rich richer and the poor poorer. It's about equality when it comes to taxes. I don't believe it's fair to tax a certain group more or less, and I certainly don't make 250,000 a year. Obama is asking us to raise taxes on corporations as well; this will only lead to either lower pay or less workers, neither of which are good. If you tax the hell out of corporations, they have to raise prices to keep a profit; you'll be paying more for things as well. His tax plan is not the way to go; it's simply a way to make a select group's life easier at the expense of everybody else. Your tax rates are still going up even if you aren't "rich."

    Patriotism is not giving up your personal well being so somebody else can have it better (remember, that's what Obama claims the current tax system does: makes everybody's life harder to make the rich richer), as bluefalcon suggested I call it earlier.

    Like it or not, the government does not "need" 40% of my income. It "needs" to stop pissing money down the drain in places like Iraq, bridges to nowhere, and studies to observe f*cking cow farts. A lot of what shows up on the federal budget isn't needed. Cut back spending if you find you can't afford something. Everybody else does it; why shouldn't the government? We're already $10 trillion in debt; how is wasting money on things we don't need going to fix that?
     
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    Agrees it is not patriotic to pay higher taxes. There shouldn't even be an income tax as far as I am concerned. You should keep what you earn. Higher taxes on corporations mean they will find tax loopholes and less revenue generated for government as well as higher prices. Raising the taxes on companies causes them to go over seas you see the businesses never really loose out because they will simply raise prices or outsource to another country with resemble tax policies. It's not about whats fair it should be about what works and higher taxes on anyone doesn't work period.

    BTW Obama will not be president. I laugh at all of you who voted for and support someone who is constitutional ineligible to be president.

    here is the Case in the Us supreme court. http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

    Barack has till Dec. 1st to provide a valid birth certificate other wise he is at the mercy of the court.

    Also there is testimony from his kenyan grandmother saying she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

    Barack has not provided any documentation since the case has been filed in late august. The DNC has failed all US citizens in providing a candidate eligible to be president. The DNC also filed a joint commission to dismissal, meaning they are siding with Obama and not asking um hey where are these records so we can shoot this down.

    My question to Barack is if you are a natural born citizen prove it!!!!
     
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    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I personally believe he was born in Hawaii; I seriously doubt somebody is dumb enough to run for president knowing they're ineligible. On the off chance he can't provide documentation, what happens? Does the 26th Amendment come into play, having Biden take over for Obama? I don't know if that counts for the president-elect.
     
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    Honestly anyone who thought obama wasn't US born or even thought there was a chance of it is a massive tool.
     
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    My turn to hit back.

    Honestly there are thousands of dollars being used for this case and all the facts are there that Obama hasn't provided antiquate information.

    But of course you provide no further insight leading me to believe you are a person who is an Obama lover and lack critical thinking like the rest of his followers. People who have blind impulses for words like change and they sit there absorbing TV and lack the ability to research further into topics.
     
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    see


    also, I am not even a US citizen, what makes you think I give a ---- about obama?
     
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    Everyone should, considering he was just elected as the most powerful man on the planet.
     

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