How To Know That God Is Real.

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  1. Z.A.R

    Z.A.R Well-Known Member

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    I know that most of you want physical scientific proof that God exists. So this is how you do it.

    Science changes all the time with new evidences. I am a chemist working towards a degree at USU, so I know a little about science. Here is a fact, no theory or law is provable it can only be observed having the same effect multiple times; don't even try to argue this because it is true; that is what all science is based on. For instance the law of gravity, it can be observed in all our surroundings we can feel and see its effects on earth and in the cosmos. However, we are finding out that the laws of gravity have anomalies and discrepancies, for instance:

    Stars in galaxies follow a distribution of velocities where stars on the outskirts are moving faster than they should according to the observed distributions of normal matter. Galaxies within galaxy clusters show a similar pattern. Dark matter, which interacts gravitationally but not electromagnetically, accounts for the discrepancy. Various modifications to Newtonian dynamics have also been proposed.

    The expansion of the universe seems to be speeding up. Dark energy has been proposed to explain this. A recent alternative explanation is that the geometry of space is not homogeneous (due to clusters of galaxies) and that when the data is reinterpreted to take this into account, the expansion is not speeding up after all.

    The Pioneer spacecraft seems to be slowing down in a way which has yet to be explained.

    Various spacecraft have experienced greater accelerations during slingshot maneuvers than expected.

    (You can get the sources for this at good old Wikipedia under "Gravitation" as well as many published scientific journals around the world.)

    So for those of you that think science is absolute you have a crude awakening. If you think something like "man made" science will prove the existence of God when the scientific community wants to explain things without the existence of a Supreme Creator then you probably will never get your "proof" of God through these means. It is a bias argument coming from either end.

    This is what I will do I will go through the scientific method to show you my findings about God. However, just like science, if a person is not familiar with how the mechanisms work then it is hard to come to and see the findings. So if you try to prove the existence of the multi-verse by your own observation not being familiar the known sciences of time and mathematics that accompany it then you probably wont be very successful until you have learned all you can about the subject and have done your own mathematical equations and experiments to come to a conclusion of the theory of a multi-verse.

    Same thing goes for findings about God. In order to find your proof of Him, you have to study about Him. Experiment with the idea. Try to communicate to him through prayer and be patient waiting for answers. And just like using the scientific method, conduct several experiments try multiple times throughout your life to communicate with him and be open to unexpected findings. Observe things around you, the cosmos and how they work, the tiniest of cells and how they function. Notice how complicated the inner workings of the tiniest unicellular Prokaryotic cell and ask yourself how could this have just happened by chance, some random occurrence.

    Here is a link to a movie made by Harvard University on the inner workings of the cell. You should check it out it is awesome! http://multimedia.mcb.harvard.edu/

    Another big thing that science uses are previous findings. So talk to people that believe in a Supreme Creator. Ask them why they believe in a God. If you are stuck and don't know what to do next ask someone for advice on the next step in your experiment. You must be skeptical with your findings, but don't let your own bias and beliefs get in the way. Then continue your experiments.

    Just like science some people get what they are looking immediately but others spend their whole lives trying to find the answers. The same thing goes with your findings on God. Some of you may get your proof immediately while others it might take your entire life time.

    Be patient, and good luck with your hypotheses.
     
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    Lefthanded Gentlemen of Leisure

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    Z.A.R Well-Known Member

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    Please don't spam my threads dude. That was an inappropriate comment . . .
     
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    stop.

    tbh I think God is real because how was nothing made without something.

    my opinion sorry if i was rude :rolleyes:
     
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    lllAE86lll GR Since 2005

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    Well its your own believe if u think it is or not
     
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    exactly,
    its how you feel on the views of life and where you want to go
     
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    Well the trick with God is that if you prove he exists, that defeats the purpose. The whole deal is that it's supposed to be something our puny little minds can't comprehend.

    If God could be conclusively proven to exist (as many people want), that implies that man has figured out some part of the Grand Scheme that he was not supposed to figure out, taking away some of the divine power. And if God is anything, he's a control freak, so that will never happen.


    Basically, you're just not supposed to prove that God exists, because if you do, you're taking that whole "faith" thing out of the equation.
     
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    Stupid.
     
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    you got a point there, but a good arguement.
     
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    I know that God's not real, because no one has ever seen the guy.
     
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    haha funny.
     
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    Assuming you're some form of a Christian since they're pretty much the only ones who try and sound smart while attempting to explain their silly religion ~

    What makes your God more real than Allah or Zeus?

    You say you can prove your God, I say it's ridiculous. That your Jesus can walk on water and rise from the dead is to me as the sun is driven by chariots is to you.

    ~Assuming you're something else - Apply the same logic to whatever you are.
     
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    thats passed my brain copacity,

    wut XD
     
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    Greek myths are so much cooler. I'll believe in them before I believe in a single supreme being, such as god.
     
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    so who is the creator of god? as you are saying you cant create something from nothing

    THIS IS OPINIONATED! and im an atheist.

    Being an atheist is almost a religion of its own, we search for truth and fact. All other religions search for hope and things beyond this world

    i do not believe in god, because i see the world how it 'truly' is, which is a violent and and grotesque world.

    Do you believe in God? Im sure the things you believe is that everything happens because it is gods will. But tell me, if someone puts a gun to your head and pulls the trigger. Is this an act of God? or the man behind the trigger? If god is so absolute, why didnt he stop the man?

    Now most people would say that it was gods will to make him pull the trigger or it was gods way of saying that it is 'your time'. If you believe in the Gods ways then your god has let you down, he is not the image you thought he was if he wanted you dead.

    And if you do have a mind in the afterlife, your mind would probably be thinking... I spent my entire life preaching to God, and this is how he repays me, he wanted me dead...

    If God has the power to create, why did he create such imperfect beings? why did he make it so the slightest thing can kill us, why would he feel that each creature on earth should be created with weapons <---your probly saying wtf is this now? heres examples (humans have their brains as a weapon, sharks have their speed and teeth, scorpions have their stingers filled with poison, spiders poisoness bites and so on...) Does God want us to be violent? does he want the creatures he has created to fight to the death?

    IMO the truth is... Its a Kill or be Killed world. Survival is every creatures nature on earth.

    before you get all angry, remember this is a point of view/opinion

    Speaking of greek mythology, that brings up my favorite atheist! Achilles! the man who defies all Gods! which makes him a fearless and brutal warrior/heroin/murderer <---however which way you want to look at it. ill have to save my theory about him for another day though
     
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