I saw things go to hell when Demetia took over as Admin. That's not a personal attack, and I didn't return for that comment, but that's my point of view, and many here that didn't have the balls to say or state that would 110% Agree with me, even those that pretend, yes PRETEND that they are Dementia's close buddies, of either personal MSN favors or Staff here on GR. Period. I miss Kazuya, the OLD GR Staff, and many of the former Staffers that made GR one of the most popular and interesting GFX Forums to be upon...
Not a single member of staff here is here because they kissed my arse, as a matter of fact, I was opposed to bringing many of the current staff members to the current staffing, and I have *never* recommended someone for staff without just reason (and never have I even brought up someone whom wasn't already brought up by someone else), and I was brought onto staff to do exactly as I am doing, because I have no regard for what members say about me. If anyone here has friends, it is the community of GR. Matter of fact, ripper, if it wasn't for your friend Kirbir on staff, it would have been a unanimous vote for you to be PERMA-banned from GR just as you are from DeviantART and tens of other graphics sites across the net. As the OP stated, the way members tend to see things, and the ways staff members see things vary completely. Frankly, I never have cared for members opinions on how the staff do their job because I have complete logs over every single thing a moderator does here on the site, and I have logs of every single past moderator and admin and I know exactly what they are, and are not, doing. Our current staff houses some of the most active and best moderators you could find on this website. Our current admin team is... hundreds of times more active than Llamaman or Big_Dave ever were. The reason people prefer the 'old' GR is because that was at a time when we had 30,000 members, there were very little rules, and the staff acted as part of the community rather than an authoritative figure. It is the same concept of police. How many people actually LIKE the police after they have ever had a run in with police? Very few. Same concept here. I get PMs daily on the site, or in the IRC, or on MSN with people thanking me, and the staff for the work they do on this site. On the same note, I get repeatedly banned, warned and suspended members like yourself complaining about conspiracies and corruption across the staff. Also, I don't own GR, nor have I ever 'taken over' anything on GR. Every single major discussion that isn't already a set in stone rule (ie, ban the ban evaders, rippers, people spamming goatse, etc.) goes through a majority vote on staff, and for anything controversial (gacs banning, all unbannings, all changes to the site for v4, etc.). The reason I get the flack is because people lack the ability to accept personal responsibility for their actions and the actions of their friends. I get the flack because I am the one every staff member runs to in order to rectify a situation they don't want to get involved in. For example, before we made it so that we just moved topics to the flame forum if they got out of hand, a certain member of staff would run to me on a near daily basis asking me to assist them in handling the situation because they didn't want their reputation to be placed on the line. In short, the members of this site don't really know jack about the politics of the Gamerenders staff, which is fine, we have our staff situation set up that way for that exact reason. Members of this site don't need to know the ugly side of the GR politics, the members of GR need to know that things are being taken care of, in both positive and negative ways, and as such, I am the iron fist of this site, and I take the fall for many other staff members decisions frankly because I don't care what you guys say about me, to me, or anything of the likes. I care about what is best for GR, and so long as GR is in good hands, I have no problem taking the postion I am in where I am constantly either harassed or praised by hundreds of thousands of people.
tl;dr. I will say this, Dementia gets the job done whether you like it or not...he may not go about it nicely but join the Army, they are relatively the same in that sense.
maj1n and steez .. why do you guys say such things ? does it bother you guys that a middle eastern guy has more respect on this forum ?? is that it ? you guys are jealous ? maybe it's that or maybe it's because you guys can't say these things in your real life, that's why you say it to me i couldn't harm you in anyway and my opinion on why GR has a big downfall .. let me tell you people like maj1n and steez .. someone starts a serious topic, and look what they say and just because they are in the precious "mitm", dems crew, they can say whatever the ------ they want cause they know dem won't ever ban them .. and dem don't give me the ---- that you banned maj1in multiple times if it was someone else you would have perma banned his ass a long time ago i mean, what other forum accepts rascists on their forum, what other forum accepts these kind of talks even dementia say these kind of things .. and also dem.. don't say " you know it's all a joke, just learn to deal with it " you learn to deal with it that i don't find these things jokes .. and imo V4 won't be different ^ that and also the credit system ..it's bull---- imo it would be a whole lot more active if there were more credits and the steal item was gone and if the entire forum staff was a bit more pr0fessional, and also the spamheaven .. that's where all the activity is , nowhere else if spamheaven was gone .. trust me, it would be more active cause in the end .. this is a graphics forum .. it almost looks like a spam forum seriously nothing is done in the form of graphics .. everyone forgots about it when they are in spamheaven and that's where everyone is the whole time just my opinion
A lot more active if there was more credits? Please, Old GR there was basically any credits, CREDITS are the reason this forum has gone to hell. Steez etc. don't impact the rest of the site, hanging around in Spam Heaven/Last Word, if it's an issue stay out of there and stay in the graphics areas. Removing Spam Heaven would do ------ all to improve activity in the rest of the site, think the people in there have any real interest in Graphics Discussion? Tutorials? No. Spam Heaven INCREASES activity to the website by a lot, and removing it does nothing but harm the website. You got a lot of crap in IRC yesterday, I mean, you deserve it, but still, don't make this into a personal QQ parade. Steal item isn't doing a damn thing to influence activity anymore either, barely anyone touches it and the ones who do tend to lose their own credits anyway. GR is a graphics site, but it's also a community and Spam Heaven is where the community tends to go, you can hardly "chat" with members in signatures can you?. PS : You do not have more respect then Majin or Steez on the forum, not even close. PPS : Nobody is jealous of you. PPPS : Real life threats are why you deserve no respect.
Now you're just whining Kovan. Majin is the same way in the real world, as is Daz, you can ask them both, he would say the same thing to you or to anyone else in the real world as he would here, as would I. Majin has been banned for more months than anyone else on this forum, even the perma banned individuals. It has been a unanimous decision amongst the staff to let him stay here because taking the time out of our day to ban 75 new accounts because hes ban evading rather than removing topics and dealing with more pressing issues on the site. He is far from the only person we have allowed to stay here for this reason, and he certainly won't be the last one. You can ask any other staff member on the current staff and any of the prior staff and they would tell you the same thing (and I don't mean community / sectional / graphcs crew, you know as well as most that they don't get any input over most serious matters, those are restricted to gmods and admins). You realize I have banned and suspended multiple members of MitM? You realize I have even requested they STAY banned for a longer period of time than 3 months? No, you don't, because you don't have a clue, and you don't know anything about me or the higher up staffs decisions. Nearly every member of MitM, myself included, has been warned, suspended, or banned at some point in time, and very few times have they been let back early (actually, the only two I can think of are Majin and Darren, for the reason I said above, they have a dynamic modem and as many proxies as they could possibly want, they will be here regardless, and its not worth our time to keep them banned). I say those things, I also almost entirely state them in the flame forum or IRC, rarely elsewhere, as does everyone else, which is what the flame forum was made for. Either way, you and everyone else knows just as well that as an admin, rules are basically made, removed, and bended by me. You have broken rules since being promoted to staff, as has every single member of staff, current and past, and every single member of staff could easily be banned for past rule breaking, its not hard to look up and find, you're as equally guilty as anyone from MitM or outside of MitM, you really should not be pointing fingers.
I'm not siding with anyone but Dem has a point, pretty much any forum member, staff or no, MITM or no, could or should have been banned for past grievances.
cba to read anything inside so I'm answering the first post. Well, witde killed the credits and once steam accounts were banned the marketplace practically died and then with the april fools day a lot of people didn't like the idea of GameRenders doing such a big pisstake and then the current staff kinda suck so everything's gone downhill and it's been left to the flamers and few other members which did the final shot imo.
Kovan, i read about me getting away with everything because im in MitM? I stopped reading after that, but hey I'll actually dedicate sometime for you and give you a decent reply. I've been coming here since 2004 Kovan, back in the day I'd get away with the usual flaming and stuff but as the staff changed, times changed with it, i had to realize i didnt have the "authority" over members i once did. On this account alone i have over 18 warnings, mainly for flaming. In total I've been suspended 37times and perma-banned 3times.... or 4. I've lost count to be perfectly honest. The only reason i am still here? Not because i kiss up to the staff/am their e-best friend. But because i used to ban evade like hell, I've sold 2 of the main account already. But so you know i still have 16accounts that the staff can't even work out that are mine, just so i can troll aimlessly and cause a bitta havoc if you will. Now just so you know Kovan, if you haven't realized but since i was unbanned in December last year I've been on my best behavior. Hell I've only been suspended 3times since then. Now the staff have informed me since my last suspension that this IS my last chance. I'm sitting on 100% warning, one more tiny slip up im gone for good. So please Kovan don't think i am some ass kisser who gets away with everything, i just hate on you in IRC because your a complete tool who's an "internet tough guy". kthx.
look, i understand that you guys make some jokes .. but you go way to far sometimes if someone insulted you on your race everyday on GR and IRC .. wouldn't you be pissed and why am i an internet tough guy ? explain that to me please i was very mad yesterday so i said "i hope that someday i will meet one of you in real life" and i still mean that that doesn't make me an internet tough guy, i'm just sick and tired that i can't even post like a normal person without someone insulting me because of my race and no dementia .. i'm not whining at all, offcourse you can digg up everything on everyone on wich you could ban them for but does that mean you should ignore everything else ? , i mean like majin and steez first post on this topic this is general discussion. someone makes a very serious topic and look what maj and steez post i'm not saying you should instantly ban someone for that, but you could atleast delete those posts i'm ok if you guys make some jokes, but most of the time you guys go way to far .. and then when i say something back i get a ban from IRC instantly by you. why can you guys insult me and when i insult someone i get insta ban from IRC and majin, i never said you're an ass kisser .. i know you make jokes, but don't go to far man, it's starting to get annoying for me
I've never thought myself outside of the rules just because i get along with Dem, infact i belive Dem has banned and suspended me a few times, i have not had any special treatment. I really doubt that Kovan, you would be getting rid of a large portion of very active posters if you were to get rid of spamheaven. I actually laughed hard It's not just me Evading, i also know my way around the rules, for one, being banned on IRC does not cross over with the forum (such as in the days when the whole flaming of kirbir and her child) and got away because of that, mind you i have not been banned/suspended much in a long time, one ban and one suspension since i came back to GR, which is alot less than say from 2005-2007.
The only reason i troll here occasionally is so i can see who's been flaming who. I just hope GR can come back to being a graphic site it was. I know some people may think credits were horrible, but that's what made GamerRenders what it is. It was like the first site that people can sell there half baked signatures. I personally just liked the idea of selling 'artwork' and then being able to buy new 'artwork'. Making tutorials and selling them was also half the fun. My two cents
Welcome to our world. Every single person in the IRC is insulted daily, logical and myself included. There is a difference though, we know how to take a joke, and we know how to dish it back out as well. By the way, you should be used to random bans by now in the IRC, thats been my thing for the past... 3 years. You were also unbanned about 30 seconds later. Also, don't tell me how to do my job, I was well onto deleting the stupid posts in this topic without you having to remind me, I was just involved in a little something called sleep.
When I posted here regularly like 3 years ago this place was hoppin. My life got really busy in 07 so i really wasn't online at all. I came back this year and the site activity MAJORLY decreased. I remember my threads getting drowned in everyone else's in the Signatures forum. Niow you're lucky if anyone posts in your thread at all.