Whats The Best Gfx Card Now ?

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  1. Chavarria

    Chavarria Senior Member

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    hey PeePs.

    Wanna get me some new gfx card.

    And i just wanna know what is the best card out now. Price doesn't matter really.

    Thanks in advance .

    dr!ver.

    PS : This is for gaming and 3D .
     
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    i guess 8800GTX but i'm not sure :P
     
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    xX ParaDox Well-Known Member

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    The 9800 GX 2 is supposedly comming out later this month which is equal two overclocked 8800 gts 512's in sli. If not the 8800 GTX or the Ultra if you can find one.
     
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    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    at this point there is no "best" graphics card as the top 3 trade blows with each other.
    the best would either go to the 8800 GTS 512 or the 8800ultr/GTX(the two are basically the same as far as gaming goes, atleast after you overclock the cores to around the same speed which is really easy) or 3870x2.

    If I had $1000 to spend on cards I'd probably go for the 8800GTS512.

    here's a rough performance indicator normalized to the 3870 x2
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    if your concern is crysis, the most demanding game out there, just go for the GTS 512. The three cards here basically max out all other games any way so no real concerns. plus of those cards the GTS 512 is the cheapest going for as little as $240 after rebate.
     
  5. Chavarria

    Chavarria Senior Member

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    K , thanks for the info guys.

    And what about the nvidea 768MB ?

    Or is that wasteof money ?

    Dr!ver.
     
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    xX ParaDox Well-Known Member

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    That really isnt being specific, there are 2 different models. The GTX and Ultra which are EOL and really have no purpose unless your tri sli-ing.
     
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    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    there are 3 768 mb cards
    8800GS(least powerful basically half a GTX)
    8800GTX
    8800ultra
    the GTX and ultra are basicallly the same as well the ultra just costs a little mroe has a somewhat higher binned core and that's it. The ultra also uses gDDR4 insteed of gDDR3. Downside si that the extra memory bandwidth isn't needed and gDDR4 is a higher latency product so in some cases the ultra is slower than the gtx. GTX = ultra =/- a few percent.
     
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    You've got some hilarious avatar and signature there! If you have more can you please PM me some? :D
     
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    If your patient then wait till the 9 series come out, they will be PWNAGE =]
     
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    cheatsmaster Gotta Catch 'Em All!

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    Yeah. :D Waiting for the 9 series will be a better choice if you're patient.
     
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    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    not really. Initial test results show that an overclocked 8800GTS and an overclocked 9800GTX are more or less identical. THe onyl diference is that the 9800GTX supports tri SLI and has some video encoding stuff added. As far as gaming goes GeForce 9 is a massive failure. really nVidia should FIX THEIR NAMING CONVENTIONS

    8800GTX
    8800ultra
    8800GT should be 8850GT or 8900GT
    8800GTS512 should be 8850GTS or 8900GTS
    9800GTX should be 8900GTX

    actually they're basically a reduced cost version of the 8 series designed to make nVidia money and they don't offer any real performance improvements.
    nVidia has the dominant market position at this time and they know it. They are more interested in making money than advancing technology. Right now for the last year all they've done is release products that are cheaper to produce. They've improved manufacturing and they're supposedly working on a new chip design which will hopefully be great BUT there is no word of performance. THIS IS NOT GF9. GF( is basically rebadged GF8 with a few extra small features)

    the 9800GTX is basically going to be priced around $300 and will only be on par with current products. It be clocked somewhat higher than the 8800GTS at stock, but you can overclcok the 8800GTS to make up the diference with ease. As fo late is seems both ATi and nVidia are concentrating on getting parts out to market in volume. The highend products are now sandwhiched versions of lower end products. the 8800GTX came out in 2006. The first card to be notably faster than it will be the 9800GX2. The 9800GX2 will likely cost about twice as much as the 9800GTX and will basically be twoo 9800GTXes sandwhich together but run at lower core speeds. Don't think double the performance. Think 0-80% more performance AFTER overclcokeding the card.

    ok excuse the rant I'm ticked off with nVidia right now. I was kinda hoping for GT200 to be the 9800GTX. I wanted the 9800GTX to eb twice as powerful as the 8800s. I wanted the 8800s to drop to $150ish and for a 9800TS to be around $300-400 and to offer a good leap above the 8800s at a reasonable price. Insteed I get... SLI marketting garbage at double the cost and heat production. No thanks.
     
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    What about the new ATI's?
     
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    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    they're not out for a bit.

    rumors are saying that they're up to par with AMD's expectations. Rv770 is supposed to be a multi GPU solution as well, but GPU to GPU interfacing will be done via a central node and they'll act as part of a unified ring bus. I'm hoping Rv770 kicks ass. I really don't know though.

    FYI what's wrong with multi GPU configurations as they now are done is that there is alot of overhead. basic GPU to GPU interfacing is done via software and that introduces a lot of inefficiencies and the inefficiencies only get worse as mroe GPUs are added. hence why SLi pretty much never truly doubles your frame rate and why the 7950GX2 and 9800GX2 require 1GB RAM to be able to address 512mb worth of space(the data is mirrored and each GPU reads from its own dedicated memory bank which has a duplicate set of data on the other bank which is in and of itself just really innefficient). The hope is that R770 is able to solve this and get near 100% scaling. the hope of being able to take 4 efficient GPUs that are easy to manufacture and then placing them all on the circuit board and having them be about as powerful as a single GPu which has 4 times the operational units is something we all want. It might be impossible to manufacture a single huge GPU but if you can get a smaller GPu made and you can scale it really well then it's a dream come true for manufacturers and the cheaper something is to make the cheaper it'll be to us the consumer Competition and efficiency is what drives the market. Part of the reason I get somewhat annoyed when someone says "ATI is so much better than nVidia" or "nVidia is so much better" I'm only concerned with a company being better when I go to buy stock and in that case I'm looking for expected financial performance. When it comes to products I buy whatever product best serves my purpose and I don't care who it is from. In the video card market, it's very competitive since lowend cards are basically highend cards that have been cut down. each market segment has several cards in it and they tend to have comparable overclocking potential etc. most of the time regardless of where you go for the GPu net performance at a price will be similar. The exception being if it's incredibly one sided. EG: Radeon 9800 vs. GeForce 5900. The 9800 just dominated and for the money it was better since it was priced about the same as the 5900. When it came to R600 vs. G80, G80 turned out to be a better buy in most cases unless someone was benchmarking in which case it was the other way around.

    ok that went on a tangent.


    have a read
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R700
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_9_Series
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_8_Series
    see how the 9800 and the 8800 use the same GPU... and the same type of memory... and have the same type of memroy... basically garbage.
     
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    Chavarria Senior Member

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    So , the best 1 is 8800GTX 768MB then right ? :tongue:

    thanks for the info guys.

    Dr!ver.
     
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    i dont like the ATI cards just got one a 512 HD --- version for the second time a have some realy big problems whit the ATI cards to run it
    looks like it runs well but in games the card akts wierd
    seems like a problem which many people got also the boss from the store sad he dident like the ATI cards to

    brought it back and have an nvidea card again runs nice and fast never had any ploblem whit them playing games or designing
     

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