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lol CI + Bucc = domination

 

i dont see this at GR

 

then open your eyes and read the thread

 

*sigh*

this happened last time too...

 

just because i havnt personally seen this happening doesnt mean it doesnt happen. it also doesnt mean that nothing will be done about it. im just stating my opinion. so you all need to relax and calm down and keep the discussion going to convince the admins.

 

I kno bro, no ones getting mad, but we discussed the same view you had in the first page >.<

just maybe flustered

EDIT: Here's the discussion about it bro if ya want to continue it or address it

 

Sorry but, after reading and re-reading this thread. I'm failing to see what you actually want?

Ripping Rights have never existed, even the quotes you linked never mentioned "Ripping Rights". As far as we're concerened, if you sell something for full rights you can do anything you want with it except claim you made it, and that includes taking layers. If you make a 10 layer sig and 3 layers happen to be from a sig you own full rights, you'll be disqualified from competitions such as Sotw.

We've never allowed layer ripping, heck, we've banned people for just "Layer ripping" as opposed to full blown ripping.

 

Offtopic:
Using your view the whole conception of Full Rights is being misviewed as a large portion of members state that they are selling tags for FR but you cannot rip (that wouldn't be full rights)

Ontopic:
You state that ripping rights have never existed and I agree; they haven't existed with a specific name such as "Ripping Rights." Since the name has never existed, obviously the quotes don't mention it. But you're missing the point here. It doesn't matter what name it goes under, the meaning and implication go unheard. The quotes merely show that without the rule Buc is proposing, people whom are quoted imply that you can rip and are allowed to sell tags with ripping rights. If you read the thread, we have posted why that is bad, thus why Buc proposes this rule.

The biggest thing I don't understand, is why are you contradicting yourself?

Since I don't understand it, I can't refute it. If you could clarify, I would be more then glad to reply.

 

hah! How dare you use me as an example! *slap*

In all seriousness though, my honest opinion? I couldn't care less if someone 'ripped' my work, i made the piece they can do what they like with that said piece if they want too but thats just my personal view on the things i have personally made.

We do not however allow ripping of any sort on here, guys should know by now that when you say 'full rights' this means you now own it, can post it on other sites, look at it, etc etc.. this does not mean you can 'rip' layers within that psd or claim that you made it. Its pretty much common sense and if they don't have any, well.. they get punished for it.

I can see your concerns on the matter but i see no reason to add it to the rules.

 

I want all sorts of ripping disallowed, whether with consent or not

I realize that term never existed, but those quotes clearly implied the allowing of ripping. I merely used them to back up my statement that ripping is being allowed.

I realize that, that is the meaning of full rights. The people who do not realize it are many who sell their tags. Which is why action must be taken to avoid nasty misconstruing. There seems to be 2 ways to rectify this problem.
A. Announce that FR means anything and everything may be done to the tag
B. Announce that FR does not include ripping, and ripping allowed in no way shape or form.
You can take the route of just announcing that FR doesn't include ripping and that's it, but that would result in the occurring of things like 'RR' taking form, and the price of tags increasing for RR more than FR. It would be a half-step in the stop of ripping allowances that would have literally no effect at all, besides changing the economy and d------uing art and so much more (which was discussed in this thread).

Now here comes the biggest dilemma that I've already addressed before in past replies. When you say that if 3 layers are ripped, you will be DQ'd, how would you know? They aren't giving you the PSD, thus your statement holds no impact. You can't enforce that.
But with the announcing of no ripping, rights given or not, this can be deterred.

Along with preserving the essence of true art, you get a better positive deterance posture.

Ill think of even more benefits, yet I await a reason why it wouldn't be good (though proving that isn't the only choice against this idea).

 

most ripper will be smart enough to use the layers in a way that isnt obvious. even if we say "you cant take layers" people are still going to do it, they might even try harder to cover it up. the only way of catching them is accusing them and comparing the psds through the ripper section. its just something that wont make a difference if we say it or not.

 

I still honestly don't believe that this is nearly a big a problem as you're making it out to be, I'm yet to meet one person who thought with Full Rights he was allowed to rip the tag. But either way, if you check the "Everything you need to know", essentially the GameRenders Rules, near the bottom, I cleared up the conditions on Full Rights/Learning Rights.

 

This isn't going to happen. We aren't going to be adding a rule that is not at all needed. Them using layers from a tag is no different then you using someone elses c4d, or someones render, or a brush you didn't make, etc, etc. The list could go on. Not to mention, it isnt a huge enough problem to where I see why we should implement a rule on it. We punish those that do actual ripping, rather then are artisticly lazy. And quite frankly, im not going to punish someone whos not up to your standards of artistic growth.

Feel free to continue to discuss it, but I can tell you now, we won't be adding this as a rule.

 

alright, so we can give ripping rights to tags we sell but they wont be able to use them in competitions [if they get caught]?

 

lol i got qouted :tongue:

but on topic, i have more important problems going on irl,
so i really could care less if someone uses layers from one of my psds.
but i dont understand why you have a problem with it.