The True Intention Of Firearms

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  1. White Tiger

    White Tiger Well-Known Member

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    I won't pin anyone out, but all this fancy personification about killing someone is getting annoying. To stop killing someone because you see "the fire of life burning in their eyes" is ridiculous; in this dog-eat-dog world, you kill or be killed. I won't be the idiot that goes and kills people, but you approach me with the intent of seriously hurting or killing me and I will use every bit of (fire)power in my grasp to do it to you before you do it to me.

    For the people who say regulating guns is a good idea, that's what authoritarians introduced. By disarming the people, you are giving one more excuse for the government to protect you. Politically and personally, I hate the idea of the government having to regulate everything I do. I support the second amendment as well as the law regarding background checks. It's just enough reinforcement if the government could least do THAT right.
     
  2. SomeThingCreepy

    SomeThingCreepy Well-Known Member

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    Let's understand a little something about crime. Most crimes are committed out of a persons belief in necessity. If you make it dangerous for a criminal to attack someone, by instilling a fear of death into every criminal because they must now face the very likely possibility that every citizen is armed, do you really think they will just stop robbing people, and choose to live under the bridge, suck dick for a living, and banana peels out of the dumpster? No, they will simply guarantee their crimes to be a success. When a man attacks you from behind to steal your wallet, he isnt hoping that he is successful, he feels he will 100% be successful. With the opponent having a weapon at their disposal, he must now escalate his measure to guarantee success. So instead of him simply puching you in the face and kicking you while you are down, he will just casually walk up from behind you and kill you on the spot, before you even have a chance to defend yourself. Not worth the risk for him since everyone has a gun.

    In america right now, it's pretty much as good as you can get if you arent willing to reform people, improve quality of life, invest in law enforcement, etc etc, which most people arent. Since criminals are just "bad people" and theres no way to change them, let alone how bad it makes you feel to improve those who's lives are worse than yours. So we let them rott, and become hazards to our own health. If we disarm everyone, yes crime will probably increase. The country is too far blown, there are too many illegally spread firearms distributed amongst the criminals. But it could be a lot worse if we let firearms go completely unrestricted.

    Now I live in the south, and I was listening in on a conversation between a friend of a friend they were having together a few weeks back, regarding his recent purchase of a new handgun. It went something like this:

    "Yea man so when i was in New York, I had to wait like 2 ------in weeks to get my baretta! What the ------ is that ----? Man so inconvenient. Anyway once i got down here (Virginia) i figured i might as well stock up on all the ---- i want so i dont have to put up with that hassle next time. So i went to the gun store today and picked up a .45 on the spot, filled out a little paperwork, bam im done, no hassles."

    No one should be able to do that, but guess what it is happening. And some even worse news is that, this is not going to change. There are too many guns already here in the U.S. to regulate it anymore, because either way if you want a gun, you can get one nearly anywhere within 15 - 20 minutes as long as you know where to go / who to talk to.

    Banning guns just won't work, we have tried that, and guess what? Crime actually INCREASED. The main thought behind the idea is that criminals were able to be more assured that they could get away with their misdeed unharmed since it is less likely for their victim to be holstering a weapon. O well... We're just f.ucked.
     
  3. Sord

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    If you wanted to kill someone and didnt have a gun, you wouldnt say oh well i dont have a gun screw it. You'd find the next best thing, a knife, rock, or something else. The killers are the ones doing the killing not the weapons, because anything could be a weapon. Hell, you could kill someone with an xbox controller if you wanted(strangling with wire, beating over the head to the point they die). So banning guns wont do anything they'll just find something else to use.
     
  4. ferret

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    Doesn't Virginia have a background check law? Tennessee does, though I can think of several places off the top of my head that are... less than strict when it comes to carrying it out. Same way with places that sell cigarettes, alcohol, etc. The laws sound good on paper and, if enforced, would work just fine; they're just rarely enforced properly. Adding more gun laws (and using more of my tax money to enforce them) isn't necessary; simply enforcing the laws on the books (because if you think they're being enforced as they should, you're naive) would do just fine.

    I think New York has a two-week "cool down" period regarding handguns, and that is probably what the person is referring to regarding his Beretta. Having said that, I think the idea of a "cool down" period is bullsh*t; somebody that is that pissed off in the moment will just stab (or beat, bludgeon, impale, cut, etc.) his/her (insert: spouse, child, neighbor, guy at 7-11, etc. etc. etc.) with whatever's available. And if somebody's intent on taking that handgun to, oh, I don't know, their local college campus, what's two weeks to them? They'll just pop themselves when the cops show up anyway.
     
  5. Rss4560

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    Guns were made to kill, and if they do require control, then...Well not many people do that.
     
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    Guns where amde buy accident during one of the chinese dynastys

    balck powder was orginally used for entertainment and protection of the country so I save its for killing ha
     
  7. Wynter

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    Go watch a movie called 'Bowling for Columbine'... Canada and the US have very similar amount of guns per household.. and yet the crime in Canada is a LOT less..
    England does NOT have one of the highest gun-crime rates for a 1st world country.. Murders and killings, perhaps, but not gun-crime.
    Its not the weapon of choice, it is the the person who is using the weapon.. to quote from a movie, 'Guns dont kill people. People kill people'.
     
  8. ferret

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    So what was England/the UK trying to prevent? Gun crime or violent crime? You've removed the guns from the situation, and now your local police departments have knife amnesty days to get pocket knives off the streets. By the way, I wouldn't trust Michael Moore, somebody known to distort facts or just plain ignore them to support what he's trying to say, on much of anything, let alone a "factual documentary."

    Your last sentence says it all. People will keep on killing each other, regardless of method, as long as there is disagreement.
     
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    ^and im okay with people killing. It keeps everyone on their toes.

    But the point I am trying to make is that if ur gonna kill someone, ur much more likely to actually go through with it if u have something on hand which allows a quick easy kill.

    Come pissed off at ur boss for being a dick...thinking about killing him...see your gun cabenet with a automatic weapon for 'personal' use and a few hundred rounds...

    *Bang bang*
     
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    I wanted to vote for both options, as I believe they are both true.
     
  11. SM RxBandits

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    option #2 "Senseless weapons that are solely for killling people." is completely useless. because we all know that not every gun is used for killing. people use them for sport shooting, and that isnt a opinion, its a fact.

    analogy: does everyone who plays baseball and owns a baseball bat play in the MLB? absolutely not. its the same with guns. not everyone who owns a gun is a murderer. guns do not decide who they shoot, the people who control them do. it is an instrument used. to stick with the baseball analogy. does a baseball bat hit a homerun? no, the person who controls it does. thats why not everyone can hit a homerun. people control the guns, the guns cant decided what or who they want to shoot.
     
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    Yes, we all love our personal assault rifles, as well as those damned evil -------automatic handguns that force kids to bring them to school.

    If you're going to kill somebody, method does not matter. Did I mention that your logic sucks? If you're determined to kill somebody, method does not matter. The difference between a gun and a knife is the difference between a car and a bike; they both do the same thing, one is just easier. And, believe it or not, most murderers don't give a flying f*ck about ease; think of all those people murdered in the Middle Ages.
     
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    My buddy has one and about once a month we go skeet shooting... we suck but its a lot of fun
     
  14. SM RxBandits

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    there you go. a perfect example. i go skeet shooting every sunday, and am i killing people? no.

    heres a little fun fact for you:

    the range i go to is behind a hockey arena. there has actually been more deaths at the hockey arena (1) than in the entire history of the gun club (0)
     
  15. ShneakySquirrel

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    z0mg bant hockey. Guns don't kill people, hockeys kills people.
     

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