Veganism/vegitarian?

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  1. Error Number 419

    Error Number 419 Well-Known Member

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    u have canine teeth for a reason
    humans are OMNIvores (means we eat plants AND MEAT)
    meat is actually GOOD FOR YOU
    cheeseburgers and steaks taste good
    salad is gay
    hunting is fun
    meat = good

    i rest my case
     
  2. Morv

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    For the poster of the comment above me : Did your mommy have to turn on the computer and type that? Because if your comment equals what you actually think, i find it hard to believe you can operate a toothpick, let alone a computer.
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
    You might want to throw in a "yo mamma"- joke just to make it even more original.

    If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that.. What has that got to do with anything anyway?
    And Hitler also was also one of the most intelligent leader the world has ever seen. I could also argue that the following people were meat eaters (i shouldn't really lower myself to your level) :
    Kim Jong-il
    Robert Mugabe
    Saddam Hussein
    and i could go on, naming almost every serial-killer, rapist or child molester that has walked this planet..
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    I'd just like to add that this thread is pointless. The meat-eaters in this thread are doing the exact same thing as they accuse vegetarians of doing, glorifying their diet.
    So, please, stop posting your 1950's slogan, hunter-talk and ignorant comments if you only know the basics about vegetarianism.
    + This thread proves that vegetarians have to point out to people what they're ideas are, every meat-eater doesn't know a thing about vegetarianism. The only things you can come up with are slogans or ridiculous arguments that aren't true.
     
  3. xlink

    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    go eat a steak.

    either that or figure out that your in the minority and that for each response you post you'll have 5 others refuting it in some way.

    I will say the slaughter of animals is pretty horrendous. Definitely cruel... though I find that a wolf tearing into a cow to be more cruel. As dementia said we're streamlining the process. We provide them with food. Once a cow has lived through it's life then we end it quickly by means of punching a pole through their neck. It's not like we're killing intelligent animals(for the most part) There is a huge difference between killing bovine and killing primates.

    FYI I had a friend who'de been a vegetarian for a bit. She developed stomach ulcers. The diet doesn't always work too well. I've known a lot of vegetarians who go back to their omnivorous ways. It's hard to get enough protein and much plant protein is "incomplete"



    you're arguing a lifestyle
    the omnivores are arguing instinct.


    most people don't think on the matter at a rational level and their justifications are derived from the desire to promote their instinctualism. This applies ot a lot of other issues


    at the end of the day you can live as you wish.
    and I'll live as I wish.

    and we should all be happy(more meat for me)
     
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    I'm a Vegetarian for my own reasons.

    I don't try to push those reasons on anyone though. It was my decision, not everyones. Eat meat if you like, your choice.

    You do what you do, I do what I do.
     
  5. Morv

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    In animal intelligence tests, pigs score as high or higher than dogs.
    Most vegetarian/vegan people don't eat meat because they are against animal cruelty.
    Living your whole life standing on concrete floors, without any proper fresh air, often bad food, spaces that are too small, bad condtions overall BEFORE you get killed, is the problem.
    As i've said before, if a cow lived a natural life, survived on its own, etc. and died a natural death (without having to stand in line knowing that you are going to get killed), i would eat its meat.
    So you think that a wolf (who has to eat to survive) eating a cow (= pure nature) is more cruel than a human kicking, torturing, abusing a cow in an unnatural enviroment ?
    A wolf has to attack and eat the cow to survive. The wolf can't (unlike humans) go to the supermarket and buy alternatives to meat.
    Yesterday, the Yangtze river dolphin was declared extinct. Guess who caused it to be extinct? Yep, you fish/meat eaters. Glad I don't feel guilty ;)
    And saying that i'm in the minority, whats that all about? That just gives me even more reason to share my ideas with people.
    And xlink, the whole "go eat a steak" comment was childish and pathetic.
     
  6. Aedus

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    Not a vegetarian, I see nothing wrong with eating animals.
    Farmers breed them, look after them, help them grow, and sell them to eat.

    But then again there is nothing wrong with vegetarians, one of my mates is a vegan. His choice, if he feels its wrong then fair play to him for standing against it.


    1 thing I don't understand, some vegetarians, don't eat pork, beef etc etc. Yet they eat fish?
    Never understood that, but meh.
     
  7. Morv

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    Agreed, I think eating fish is even worst, in some cases.
     
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    http://www.jtcwd.com/vegie/index.html
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    What's so good about a vegetarian diet?
    Here are six reasons:

    Vegetarian cuisine is naturally low in saturated fats, and foods of plant origin contain little or no cholesterol.
    Plant foods are also much higher in fiber than animal foods.
    Many plant foods contain significant amounts of vital B-vitamins, and folic acid: and fruits and vegetables are powerful sources of phytochemicals - nutrients that help every organ of the body work better.
    Vegetarians tend to eat fewer calories, since grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables, volume-for-volume, tend to be lower in calories than meat and poultry. Studies have shown that as long as their diet is balanced and nutritious, the people who consume fewer total daily calories live longer and healthier lives.
    Veggie lovers believe that foods from plant sources, which are lower on the food chain, are safer than animal foods, since pollutants tend to concentrate in fatty tissues. While raw fruits and vegetables can carry harmful bacteria and pesticide residues just like meat, you can remove many of these pollutants by washing the plant foods. Trimming the fat from meat or chicken is less effective. Meat, poultry, and seafood are also more frequent carriers of foodborne illnesses than plant sources.
    Environmental conservationists believe that having more plant-based diets is healthier for the planet. It takes less energy and less farmland to feed a vegetarian than it does to feed livestock.
    Are vegetarians really healthier in the long-run?
    Absolutely, positively, yes! Even though nutritionists seem to disagree on many topics, all agree that plant-eaters and fish-eaters tend to live longer and healthier lives than do animal eaters. In every way, the brocolli-munchers tend to be healthier than the beef-eaters:

    Vegetarians have a lower incidence of cancer, especially colon, stomach, mouth, esophagus, lung, prostate, bladder, and breast cancers. The protection against intestinal cancers is probably due to the fiber in a plant-based diet. In fact, vegetarians have a lower incidence of nearly all intestinal diseases and discomforts, especially constipation and diverticulosis. The phytonutrients in plant foods, especially antioxidants, flavanoids, and carotenoids, may also contribute to protection against cancer.
    Plant food is better for your heart, since it is low in cholesterol and saturated fat, and high in fiber. Vegetarians have a lower incidence of cardiovascular disease, namely heart attacks and stroke. A study of 25,000 Seventh-Day Adventists showed that these vegetarians had one-third the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease than a comparable meat-eating population. Another study showed that death from cardiovascular disease was fifty percent less in vegetarians. These statistics may be the result of more than just diet; vegetarians tend to have healthier overall lifestyles.
    Plant eaters are much less likely to get diabetes than animal eaters.
    Vegetarians tend to see better.
    An eye disease called macular degeneration, which is deterioration of the retina leading to blindness, occurs less frequently in vegetarians.
    Vegetarians tend to be leaner than meat eaters, even those who skin their chicken and trim the fat off their steak; and, in general, leaner persons tend to be healthier. Being lean does not mean being skinny. It means having a low percentage of body fat. Muscular weight-lifters tend to be lean, though no one would call them skinny. You don't have to "beef up" at the dinner table to make muscle. Even the U.S. Department of Agriculture's dietary guidelines recommend eating more vegetables and grains and less meat, despite pressure from the politically-connected meat industry to promote meat.
     
  9. ferret

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    Morv: get the f**k off the moral crusade. You don't eat meat? F**king great. Some of us do, and we're not the ones sitting here playing the 'oh my god ya'll are so f**king evil because you contribute to the senseless slaughter of the animals (ones that were often raised to be slaughtered in the first place and wouldn't make it in the wild if they were released)' game. In fact, most of us truly don't give a damn. You still contribute to huge amounts of habitat loss, mutations from toxins, and deaths just by going about your daily life. So do we. The only difference: we're not the ones with the moral crusade, sitting on street corners telling the rest of us that we're going to hell for enjoying a burger. Get the f**k off it.

    Hell, all you've posted so far is rhetoric straight out of groups like PETA's play book and a few dismissals. Try addressing the actual points made in the f**king thread before telling us we can't come up with some f**king arguments, ESPECIALLY when you really aren't any different. Want me to post up a point-by-point rebuttal of your next arguments? I'm not actually going to bother, simply because you'll say it's not true and you'll keep on spouting off rhetoric, but it's very possible.

    Valid points you've ignored to spout off mindless rhetoric about how we're all heartless f**ks and are beneath you in terms of morals:

    You're not getting the proper nutrients, millions of farmers out of business for YOUR interests

    We're omnivores. We can go on meat and plants.

    We've lived this way for ages. Somehow, this last generation got it in their head to care about the lives of animals that were raised for slaughter (and as such are inept and would die in the wild).

    Hypocrisies, numerous points about how we don't really care what you eat unless you make it a part of our lives, while you won't extend the common courtesy to do the same.

    It's part of human nature.


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    Standard mutual masturbation between fanboys

    Combination of insults, high-minded bulls**t, and uneducated information straight from PETA's propaganda leaflets.

    If that's your goal, converting everyone else to your point of view, you need to get out more.

    An entire post that could have been cut down to one paragraph, the one at the top.


    And before you bitch, you've done the same countless times in this thread. Before you reply, think about that. Better yet, don't bother replying until you can address others' points, spouting off rhetoric and completely ignoring them to do so. So far, you've shown yourself incapable of doing so.
     
  10. Morv

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    Well if you're going to be like that I'm going to ignore you.
     
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    Stop flaming each other please :rolleyes:

    Vegetarians are very nice and meat eaters also so like you can't argue on it.
     
  12. Easy Sniper

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    I like meat and veggies i'm both.
     
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    I know that there are more reasons for an animal, im not stupid... If you believe in the bible god ate animals such as fish, etc...
     
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    My sister's a Vegetarian, no interest in it personally, it's nature etc. etc.
    Still won't touch places like McDonalds, way way way too cruel, there's a difference between eating meat from a happily raised animal and eating something that's literally "Poured" into a meat grinder.
     
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    You should always respect someone else's decision.

    I don't eat meat or eggs. Does that make me much different?

    Well, my opinions aren't different cuz of that. But no one can ignore the fact that it is CRUEL to make animals reproduce for our interrest alone. We shouldn't interfere with nature because "I like the way it tastes".

    You can't make that right, no matter how you look at it. It's as simple as that.

    If you tought about the suffering the animals are submited to for a little while, you would maybe realise it. But I don't expect you to do that.

    Now, on a different subject, eating meat that is taken out of animals that are not tortured, that is a different things. I'm okay with that.

    But you still have to consider that by being a vegetarian, you don't harm anyone. We should be respected just because of that decision we make. We make things sort of better in some ways, and we are eat healthy food in our way.

    Our will to make things better is nothing short of a miracle if you ask me.
     

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