Pat Tillman Was Executed?

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  1. .Artificial I

    .Artificial I Well-Known Member

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    A few years back the NFL player Pat Tillman was apparently killed in Iraq by 'friendly fire' new research shows otherwise:

    "Army medical examiners concluded Tillman was shot three times in the head from just 10 yards away, no evidence of "friendly fire" damage at scene, Army attorneys congratulated each other on cover-up, Wesley Clark concludes "orders came from the very top" to murder ----football star because he was about to become an anti-war political icon"

    More below;

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...manexecuted.htm

    What do you guys think? I think this partly shows how corruption the US is - Killing there own people because they don't want him to rally against a war which is driven with lies and murder?!
     
  2. Phoenix

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    I think it actually was an accident.
     
  3. Zohair

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    & how would you explain that? ^
     
  4. Mr. PwnJob

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    Ran into the noose.


    (well i got no clue HOW he was executed)
     
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    That sucks. Don't know how the story of his death has changed so many times over the last 6 years or so. Hopefully it wasn't on purpose.
     
  6. iplaybrawl

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    Lol, thats the media, they hate all good like president bush.

    Never believe it.
     
  7. <HITMAN

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    I like how this Has more views than My topics
    i read that one of his rangers was orderd to not say a word and he told his fam and no they sued teh BIG G :D
     
  8. Greasy Pete

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    i don't think 10 yards is an execution
     
  9. Papermache

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    Yeah ten yards is quite a hefty distance, especially for headshots. Maybe it was a gun line-up? But that still would not explain three headshots.
     
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    I think that it was an accident but you never know
     
  11. ferret

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    From what I gather:

    Tillman was part of an Army Ranger vehicle convoy, moving through some hills. Part of the convoy was split from the other.

    Tillman and another Ranger climbed a low hill to provide cover for their fellow Rangers and to watch for the other convoy, placing themselves behind two rocks. They had no radio.

    Along comes the missing convoy, guns at the ready. Two men are above them, both with rifles. It's Afghanistan. They are probably traveling anywhere from twenty to forty miles per hour. The gunners, thinking that they are hostile, open fire. Both Tillman and the other Ranger shout for them to hold fire. However, Tillman was hit. His buddy popped smoke somewhere within this time frame, signaling to those below that they were friendly and obscuring the gunners' views to allow him to move to better cover. The firing stops.

    Tillman took three 5.56mm rounds to the head. The 5.56 round is used in most of the Army (and most of NATO)'s infantry small arms, including the M-16 rifle, the M-4 carbine, and the M-249 SAW (a light machine gun carried by American troops, and also mounted on vehicles like the trucks the Rangers were using). Rangers are highly trained soldiers. Highly trained soldiers tend to shoot well, in controlled, accurate bursts. It does not surprise me that, as the trucks stopped, that accurate fire found its way to Tillman, tragic though it may be. Just because it doesn't happen that way in Counter-Strike, however, doesn't make it any less possible or probable.

    Rangers are highly trained soldiers, members of the Army's Special Operations Command. However, they are human. Humans make mistakes. You try making a life-or-death decision in the time it takes to read this sentence. Too late, you or your buddy just took a round to the back of the head. Still thinking about second-guesses? Didn't think so. You can shove your new-world-order-9/11-conspiracy-the-government-is-behind-everything-evil-in-the-world-George-Bush-is-Satan bull---- up your ass. Whether or not you agree with either war, dishonoring somebody that had the balls to go across the world to fight for you and your liberty is not the way to make a statement.

    The Army's subsequent cover up, however, was wrong. They intended to make a hero out of Tillman, as they do with just about every other fallen soldier. My cousin, for example, received the Silver Star for, in effect, getting killed. His convoy was ambushed, he survived the initial explosion, and attempted to lead his team out of danger, helping one of his wounded buddies. He got it for doing his job, nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't make him any less of a hero in my eyes, but that's the way it went. The Army, however, at the funeral/memorial service, played his death (and the others) up, as they tried to do with Tillman. Part of this is for the families, and part of this is for morale.

    They went about this the wrong way, stating that he went down due to enemy fire when, in fact, he was shot in an accident. Which one of you wants to hear that your son died because one of his buddies ------ed up? Didn't think so.


    As for the article: it takes damn near everything out of context to support its argument. "He was shot in the head from around ten yards away" becomes "He was placed in front of a firing squad." (P.S.: Firing squads tend to shoot for the chest, not the head. Watching the History Channel for five minutes could tell you that). "There was no indication of enemy fire" becomes "Because there was no enemy fire, there is no way that friendly fire could have occurred." They fail to look at the circumstances, and instead spout off their new-world-order bull---- as sites like PrisonPlanet and Loose Change tend to do.
     
  12. //CrazyHorse

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    ^Thank you, sir.
    You're a great American.

    It doesn't matter whether you agree with the war, but do not attack the troops. That's a whole new kind of low.
     
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    If you had also read the rest of what I said, you would have realized that I put in "that wouldn't explain the headshots though."

    I don't know who the hell Pat Tillman is, except now that he was a NFL player. I do know, however, that the guy said he was executed from 10 yards away. I was arguing that point.
     
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    It's not necessarily directed towards you. The more angry parts about the new-world-order bull---- are more directed towards the person that posted this topic, specifically the sheep that believes every word that comes out of these conspiracy theorists' mouths. "OMG THE US GOVERRRRNMENT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO CORRUPT THEY KILLED A GUY SOZ HE WOULDNT BECOMAAAN UHHHHHHHHH ANTI UH WAR ICOOOOOOOON LULZ" when you don't even know the guy's political beliefs beyond the fact that he signed up for the Army after 9/11 instead of playing football? Assuming things and calling them fact because they fit in with the rest of the story you've been making up? That happens to piss me off. However, it's nothing you did.

    Pat Tillman was a football player that, after 9/11, turned down some sort of contract with the NFL in favor of joining the Army. What I posted was the back story to his death, as I've read, and my own commentary on it and the link provided.

    Oh, and P.S.: Ten yards is thirty feet. That's distance? I shoot pistols at fifteen, and I shoot at four little black circles six inches in diameter. I can hit them with pretty well. Just saying...
     
  15. Mr. PwnJob

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    Brilliant post by ferret, nice dude. And yea, I shoot at 25ft with a pistol and a .22 rifle and its easy with either.. but... anyway Im gonna stop there before we get offtopic into who's shot a gun.

    Now for who's shot someone who was 10yds away go ahead with that...
     

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