No. OSX is an extremely stable, good-looking, well backed up operating system. It is in no way comparable to windows. iMacs are excellent and you should consider them.
you just lost A LOT of credibility. I assume two things 1 you've never used OS X extensively. 2 you've never used anything linux/BSD based(when I say BSD based I don't mean darwin and it's derivatives darwin sucks) on another note, who gives a ---- if it's good looking? I don't I prefer to spend my time using programs, not clicking on menus.
1. OK xelink, I admit i have not used OSX much - I just said that according to what ive heard others say. 2. Wrong. I am an experienced Linux user. I am extremely familiar with the linux shell and I have tried many Linux distros over a the years. Heck, Im posting this from Ubuntu right now. Yes, I am not a fan of GUI myself, being much more comfortable using the shell. However, you cant think of yourself in the IT industry. What do 80% of PC users in the world want? Good looks, easy accessiblilty. MAC OSX gives them that. And what does my linux experience have to do with our arguement over MAC OSX? Ive heard reports that its a lot more stable and fast than windows. Am I wrong? Your turn, xelink.
1 I've personally found that I average more crashes per minute of use in this order OSX -> win 9x -> win NT ->linux never had a OS crash under linux(few program crashes but not the OS) rarely crash under XP annoyed by BSODs in 9x wish I knew the OS X equiv of CRTL+alt+del... really I do. I need it because I end up with that damn rainbow circle thing a ton and am unable to close anything or one could say my experience was jsut one bad computer... but it was like that in the whole mac lab. one could say it was just that lab with bad hardware but It was like that on OS9 at my middle school. One could say it's just an isolated case of widespread hardware failures but... we don't get me started on the OS4 machines I used in elementary... moral of the story the only OSes I consider to be worth a damn are mostly linux based with a few BSD OSes. OS/2 I'm a bit fond of but that's long dead. Amiga I was very impressed with but that died a long time ago. 2 I personally don't give a damn about good looking. all i need is ALT+tab and super+R and I can run a system just fine. might just be that I tend to use a keyboard more than a mouse for general use though. mouse doesn't feel fast enough. 5 clicks= too much effort. 3 keystrokes... much faster
Heh, that'd get my money. I'm actualy looking for a computer as well, I might look in to that myself. ;x
1. Havent you ever experienced the countless amount of crashed that occur under XP? Havent you ever seen the "windows explorer has encountered and error and needs to close..."? 2. Your dislike to MAC OSX seem to be totally related to your lack of knowledge about the OS. I know it kinda hurts your self-esteem to pick up a MAC article and read how to start the task manager but its something we all need to do. MAC has all, if not more, features than XP. 3. If you get used to it, I guarantee you can achieve more, or equal productivity with MAC. Why not seek a solution to all problems stated above and go for Ubuntu Linux?
1 normally attribute that to unstable overclocking. hadn't really seen it until I started OCing and I usually only get it even then the system reloads itself automatically, something which I have yet to see out of *nix. 2 you say I lack knowledge of an OS and yet just before you say you'de never used it much... I'm willing to bet that I could go onto a Mac forum and more accurately describe the architecture of the operating system at the kernel and APi levels than anyone there... see if I can confuse the average community college dropout when I go to a mac forum for fun? 3 that's because I tend to use programs, NOT spend hours looking at some damned menu for the sake of it. webbrowsing is fine on almost any OS. As is using simple media players. heck the only thing I do is game and use photoshop... wait wait... Mac drivers are comparatively sucky, I'd have to deal with running virtualization and the like just to get a game running only then to realize that there's a performance hit. Then photoshop... ever notice how so many apps are still compiled under PPC and must be emulated? Damn... the one productive thing I actually do is SLOWER on a mac due to compiler level differences from 3rd parties. or atleast with phoshop CS. See i don't liek changing software every single time apple desides to implement some sort of integral change... like using a radically new operating system kernel every 10 years or changing CPU manufacturers every 6 years and an entire platform architecture every 12 years or so. That's an industry high. then lets consider another scenario I have 1k to spend on a computer. I have a choice between a PC with a core 2 Quad at 3.2Ghz or a mac with a c2d @ 2.13Ghz. the PC has twice as much RAM. both have lowend video cards and the harddrives are effectively equivalent. Which do you think I'd take. I can guarantee you that my productivity would be lower on the slower system or else of negligible impact(MSword has a negligible performance impact) the moral of the story is I don't like having to open up terminal to run my HDTV at its native resolution. Every version of linux most fo BSD, Solaris, and even old versions of windows can do that. Why that hell can't OS X, which is prided on ease of use, detect industry standard resolutions? again for the record I have the following conclusions windows- ohh god WTF went wrong here. atleast i has 3rd party support and everything is largely automated linux- efficient, gift from heaven in server and super computer enviroments, driver hell for desktop users. Atleast it looks prettier than both OSx and vista though. OS/2 - ohh what could have been Amiga- ahead of it's time F&*( why couldn't that have succeeded? OSX- BSD for idiots with excess inefficiency. Think windows ME is to windows CE as OSX is to Darwin - but worse. So-so 3rd party support. Faux of ease of use. ctrl+alt+esc comes in handy(and yes I know about that ----, was simply iterating a point since ctrl+alt+del is the standard in every single other OS I've used in the last 10 years). Interface was 4 years ahead of it's time in 2001(and two years obsolete here and today). Lots of features(which are available from 3rd party programs in other OSes and have been so for years) all this talk makes me feel like pirating OSX to have some fun with though. Might be a little bit more tolerable since the last pirating attempt(damned apple has no hardware support hacked on SATA solution was subpar in my opinion)
There is this thing called dual channeling. It allows a computer to access 2 things at once instead of one at a time.... This applies a lot to ram. Most of it is dual channeled and works better in groups of 2 instead of 1 group of 1 and another group of 2....so either go with 2 gb or 4 gb for best performance
Yeah, I am pretty sure I want a pre-built computer. Would be great if somebody can recommend a good computer from either Best Buy or Future Shop. Or maybe if you give me specific specs for a custom PC, I can take it to a friend of mine to custom build it. I live in Canada, so don't give me list of parts that aren't available in this location. (If you are doing this, please give me an estimate of how much it will cost me in parts and aprox. in labour.) My maximum price I would pay for it would be $1500 CDN, slightly more maybe; $1800 would be pushing it. @ BTK and Xelink - What are the specs for your computers and aprox. value of them? You guys must have amazing PC's, so I might as well just copy your specs if you don't mind. (Not really into computers too much to know half of what the specs mean, lol.) And when I say "somewhat gamer" I am just saying that I do play SOME games on my PC, mostly just games from steam, some flash games on the computer, etc, maybe NFS and GTA as well - you get the message lol. Also I can upgrade the ram from 3 to 8 - it gives me the option and I just pay an additional fee. So RAM wouldn't be a problem than, I think. And as for bad fans, the last custom PC I bought had a REALLY bad fan if I do say so myself. I have never had a problem with fans from prebuilt computer. In fact, the reason why my last custom PC broke was because of the fan, lol. And I am sure there is a way to over clock these prebuilt PC's - maybe a tutorial? And how much cheaper would it be - and those specs you listed above, how much would it cost all together? @ Xe - What are the specs for your computer? -- Regarding the mac issue - not really interested in buying one of those, don't have any time to get used to their new interface, and don't honestly give a crap when it comes to looks, lol. Not that I have anything against macs, I have heard they are great! In fact, one of my friends told me to get one, its more or less my laziness to get used to a brand new interface; that's all. -- @ homeboy9 - Thanks for the help! I get it now. (+) Rep to all of those who I felt that helped, Look forward to a fast reply from all of you.
I pretty much agree with you on that. But I have to correct something - Linux's driver support is improving as we speak. Ubuntu Linux is renowned for its driver support and I got my PC (EVERY DRIVER PART: yes, including printer and grraphics card) working seamlessly and easily, thanks ti the massive online support at ubuntuforums.org. Try Ubuntu!
It's actually very easy to overclock and put together a computer. There are overclocking tutorials everywhere on the internet. www.ocforums.com www.xtremesystems.org/forums those are places to start but first you need to put a computer together. here's basically the steps in no particular order put spacers on the case and screw down mobo place cpu in socket and put thermal paste on top and put hsf on top put ram in slots screw drives in drive bays (cd drive/hard drive) screw psu in psu bay connect atx connectors from psu to mobo connect power to drives from psu with usually 4 pin molex connectors put gfx card in slot and connect power connector if needed connect front panel connectors connect other stuff like usb it's very easy and the mobo manual tells you basically where it all is a simple rule is, if it fits it's right" i was scared when i built my first one but i was surprised how easy it was as for my specs A64 4000+ @ 2.9 GHz (265x11) 1.408V - ASUS A8N5X - G.SKILL ZX Dual Channel 2GB (4*512MB) 207 MHz (DDR414) 2.5-3-3-5 - 2T - GeForce 7900GS (610/1,740 MHz) - Western Digital 250GB - AC Cooling Freezer 64 - CorsairHX 520W PSU the stuff like (265x11) 1.408v is fsb/multi and vcore then ram timings and stuff you don't need to know as they are for overclocking and xelinks pc is better then mine as he has better money management my pc plays oblivion maxed settings 1280x1024 full hdr or 4xaa and 8xaf i got it for $900 building it myself so it's much cheaper and i have it overclocked a fair amount/ looking to upgrade to a Q6600 G0 stepping if i can and either 8800 or 2900 card with micrond9gmh ddr2-800 ram enough with that since your in canada ill give u links where u can order from Asus P5B Intel Socket 775 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / S/PDIF / USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...6120&CatId=1533 Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 2.13GHz / 4MB Cache / 1066MHz FSB / Conroe / Dual-Core / OEM / Socket 775 / Processor http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...7576&CatId=2396 OCZ Platinum Revision-2 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 x 1024MB) http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...2686&CatId=2368 Silverstone / Olympia / 650-Watt / ATX / SATA-Ready / PCI-E-Ready / Active PFC / Power Supply http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...29621&CatId=106 EVGA GeForce 8800 GTX / 768MB GDDR3 / SLI Ready / PCI Express / Dual DVI / HDTV / Video Card http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...7&Sku=E145-8000 Seagate / Barracuda 7200.10 / 250GB / 7200 / 16MB / Serial ATA-300 / OEM / Hard Drive http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...2522641&CatId=8 Lite-on LH-16D1P-187 / 16x DVD-ROM / 48x CD-ROM / Black / Internal / DVD-ROM Drive - Retail http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...2929634&CatId=4 Apevia Black X-Cruiser Case ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Audio and Firewire Ports http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...446794&CatId=32 Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound - 3.5g http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...65296&CatId=503 Windows Vista Home Basic 32-bit DSP OEM DVD http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...64276&CatId=306 not sure what total price is you can add it up but i'm pretty sure it'll be less then the prebuilt the E6420 will go to 3 GHz with stock cooler couldent find any ram i know to be micron d9gmh for sure but ocz is good good psu,mobo much better then the prebuilt unless you consider quad but i know e6420 will be fine 8800gtx will mean u can play dx10 games tons of oc ability I have that case and it will fit everything fine ----------- xelinks specs os E6400 @ 3.2 GHz 8800gts640mb, enermax liberty 400w, dfi infinity mobo, i think scythe infinity hsf, he has 4 gb of micron d9gmh ram(team extreme he won and patriot the one with good pcb i forgot what color that was though) um seagate barracuda um.......
^^ I agree with pretty much everything he said. There are heaps of guides with diagrams about building a computer, and its really easy. Steer clear of vista though...
don't steer clear vista is dx10 and most of the major driver issues are gone only big one i still know of is creative having sound card driver problems but eventually you'll' want to go vista so why not now eventually as in july 22 intel gets G0 c2d stepping! less wattage and lower temps i might go gigabyte p35 or asus pk5 for 5000+ fsb the got 1333 fsb!!!! nvm that ^^^^ my own thing or u could have your osx argument again
