I think it is really cruel but if you go to a fast food shop recently those animals are kept in terrible conditions. The thing that makes this bad is that people pay to see bulls fight each other. I think it is ok that we use animals for resources because if we did not need these then we would not breed these animals and they would not have a life.
I think it is really cruel but if you go to a fast food shop recently those animals are kept in terrible conditions. Become a vegetarian. The thing that makes this bad is that people pay to see bulls fight each other. Well, yes, but the thing that makes it bad are the hours of cruel torture and horrible conditions. I think it is ok that we use animals for resources because Wrong in so many ways. 1. We shouldn't have to breed animals, they will do that for themselves. 2. We shouldn't mass breed cows etc. ,stuff them into small places, torture them and feed them terrible stuff and then kill them. Thats terrible. 3. If people wouldn't be so greedy, we wouldn't have to breed so many cows. But no, every stupid, fat moron wants to eat meat every ------ing hour. if we did not need these then we would not breed these animals and they would not have a life. ??? How would they know that they aren't alive, if they aren't alive lol? And anyway, breeded cows don't have natural lives, its terrible.
Merged Post: Yes, and how many packages advertise that fact? When's the last time you've used a product that's completely animal-free? You don't know, do you? What you need to do is get yourself a small plot of land, farm there using ancient means, don't use any modern machinery, and then you'll actually be doing something to help.
Nope. They kill it in a way that the bull can't feel a thing. Its spinal chord is severed, therefore the brain has no way to send out the 'hey, that hurts--stop it!' signal to the nerves, which give the sensation of pain. Can you prove that? I've seen thousands of sites/campaigns that say bulls DO feel the pain. And anyway, even if they can't feel the pain, is it right for them to be murdered infront of a crowd? And what about the countless animals killed in the processes that harvest and/or manufacture things like soy and tofu? Hell, non-soy grain harvesting kills millions of animals each and every year. They're run through combine harvesters and dismembered. They don't get the quick, easy shotgun shell to the neck a cow does. They get their arms, legs, and finally their neck taken off if they're lucky. And these ones aren't even eaten. They're just left there. "In order for soy and alfalfa crop production to kill as many living animals as the meat industry, there would have to be at least five animals in every square foot of each soy and alfalfa farming area in the U.S. While this is still an awful price to pay, better farming equipement can be and has been introduced to limit the killing and injury of these animals. Can the same be said about the meat industry?" And anyway, a lot of animals get killed in the processes that harvest korn, carrots, etc. Guess what: animals are suffering as a direct result of your diet as well. Name a food that you eat. I'll guarantee you that it's probably harmed an animal in some way, shape, or form. In the first sentence you say "animals are suffering as a direct result of your (a bit personal, wouldn't you say?) diet as well." Yet in the second sentence you say, "i'll guarantee you that it's probably harmed an animal." First of all, you don't know my diet and secondly you state that it has, but then you say it might have.. About the bulls.. - the bull to be fought will be 3 or 4 years old. (Never older than 4 as they grow too large and too strong). - Before entering the ring, the bull is often handicapped - although this is officially illegal - by filing its horns so that it misjudges attempts to gore the matador and by smearing vaseline into its eyes to blur its vision. The bull might also be beaten with clubs, its ears and nostrils may be stuffed with cotton wool, and it may even be drugged to further obstruct his senses. Normally a veterinary surgeon, who is to be present before and during the fight, has to declare that each bull meets the requirements regarding the health, age and weight. However, some of these vets may be part of the bullfighting establishment and therefore may be prone to overlook certain manipulations. Most traditional bullfights pass through several distinct stages. Just before the fight begins, a steel emblem of the breeder's mark is driven into the animals back, and from its darkened quarters the bulls sent into the ring already in a state of terror. It is let out so that it faces the sun and is dazzled by it, a herd animal alone in strange surroundings. Bulls will sometimes be given massive doses of sulphates (epsom salts) in their water to induce severe diarrhoea, intestinal pain and subsequent lack of co-ordination in the ring. The chief veterinarian at Las Ventas bullring in Madrid has revealed that bulls from the fights have been found to have up to 25 kg of sulphates in their systems, whereas only 4 or 5 kg is considered to be a brutally massive dose. The veterinarian also discovered that sometimes the bulls are given drugs to sedate them before entering the ring. The sedative Combilin, a hypnotic and tranquillizing drug, may be injected into the animals so that by the time they are sent into the ring their senses are in complete disorder. During transit from breeding farm to bullring, they are crushed into small transit vehicles without food, water or space to move and many cases of bulls being dead upon arrival (due to their necks breaking when transferred in vehicles too small for them). -Every year, approximately 35,000 bulls are tormented and killed in bullfights in Spain alone. -Bulls today are specially bred for bullfighting. Selective breeding has enabled ranchers to create a bull who will die in a manner most satisfying to the public. Because the sight of a wounded bull desperately trying to retreat from the ring would ruin the image of the "sport," bulls are bred to return to the torture repeatedly and appear to be a wild and vicious challenge to the matador. Recent polls of Spanish citizens show they are not particularly interested in attending bullfights. Even bullfight promoter Sherwood admits "there's no way to morally justify bullfighting." But tourists' money keeps bullfight profiteers in business. and a lot more : http://www.canaryforum.com/gc/bull.html Really? The same could be applied to countless things. Why just animals? The car you drive is helping to kill us all. Hell, if you light up a barbeque, you're sending out thousands of toxins that are even worse than cigarette smoke. If people would just get off their fat asses and walk, we wouldn't be in half the mess we're in with the environment. There's a whole lot out there for you to start your moral crusade on. Don't stop at animals. Who said i stopped at animals? Your assuming that I do all the things you named above. I don't, however. He's saying that if we didn't feel the need to eat them (something that's been done for millions of years--I take it you're also against small farms that butcher cows?), we wouldn't breed them. "Something that's been done for millions of years..." Wrong. We have eaten animals as long as we have existed, true. But meat was precious back in the old days. Because of mass production, people can (don't feel the need) eat meat whenever they want, that wasn't the case in history. And no, if a cow was born naturally and lived a full life (natural life, not being stuffed full of crap) and died a natural death.. i would eat meat from that cow. About the meat "They come from ranches. They get sent to the butcher's." Well thats convenient, ferret. You've left out the part where they are fed absolute trash and are placed into small areas and then when they finally are deported they get put in a truck that is often way too small for them. And it has been proven that cows, pigs etc. know where they are going to. Anyway, they often get treated badly as it is. Yes, and how many packages advertise that fact? When's the last time you've used a product that's completely animal-free? You don't know, do you? What you need to do is get yourself a small plot of land, farm there using ancient means, don't use any modern machinery, and then you'll actually be doing something to help. We all know that isn't possible, ferret. Btw, don't you have shops in your country (USA?) that are 99% animal cruelty free? I go to several shops that promise you animals haven't been directly hurt or killed.
It's their tradition. If they enjoy watching animals being tortured for entertainment for their sick pleasure, let them. I just don't think that we should get involved and say that we should ban someone else's tradition.
i dunno. its a tradition that has been part of spain and other countries for centuries. We have pretty cruel traditions too that doesnt really seem to go away cuz people have been doing it for a loooooong time.
Why should we let them, instead of fighting against we feel it's wrong? If I think it's not alright, the last thing I'm doing is sucking it up and letting them continue. I agree with the "Oh, but it's a tradition!" story most of the times, unless I have a problem with something else. In this case I disagree with it's bases, which are hurting and torturing. And seeing that I am Portuguese I understand the culture. Culture is not a excuse to do something harmful, period. They just got used to it, nothing else. Tradition just changes people's view on bullfighting, it doesn't change the fact that it is torture.
With your "let them" attitude, understand? If Britain would've said (when Hitler invaded Poland) Oh, let them, its none of our bussiness, then what would've happened? Well said, very well.
Well obviously there is a difference if one country is invading another, but in the case of bullfighting, I would say that it is none of my buisness if they find pleasure in slaughtering a animal. As cruel as it may sound, I don't think that banning other culture's traditions is right just because you may think that it is wrong.
