Views On The Immigration

What do you guys think of George Bushes proposals along with securing the border for ILLEGAL immigrants.

This is my view
The News
First of all ive been watching a bunch of different news stations and saw how Geraldo Rivera's information is very un-correct. I also noticed how the Fox News is extremely bias. The argument that Bill and Geraldo had, was very much uncalled for. In my opinion it was just for the views and the money not about illegals at all.

I'm definitely not a racist, but I do disagree in letting not just the Latin people, but any person from every country into the US illegally. I'm not sure how to go about securing the borders, but I do definitely think there should be some way to stop people from coming into this country. I don't care how few of illegals are criminals in the since of child molesters, serial killers, etc... but they should still be kept out until legal. The more the criminals we got in here the worse it will be I don't care if there 4 criminals out of every 10 thousand illegal, because that would just add 4 more illegals to rape and kill innocent citizens. Technically all illegals are criminals for breaking the law by coming into this country, but thats not what I meant by criminals.

People say that illegals are the ones that take the jobs that other people don't want such as plowing fields or whatever the hell those jobs must be, but THATS NOT TRUE.
Before 1992(when most illegals made it here) there were many legals working in fields, janitorial work, etc. doing the jobs that illegals do now and we were fine then, so don't go saying that illegals are the ones that take those jobs.

Also a big issue is with communication. Many illegals are not doing a thing to learn English, except were making everything else into 2 languages in the US. English and Spanish. I shouldn't have to hear " Press 1 for English or Press 2 for Espanol" neither should I have to see 2 different signs that say the same damn thing except with one in Spanish and 1 in English. If that was so then we might as well have 20 different numbers on the phone for every other language.

A lot of people that are for illegals coming into this country have businesses or use the illegals as an easy way to get out of paying taxes.

I heavily think that the US government is letting the Mexican Illegals into this country because we get oil from Mexico. The Mexican government im sure is happy that illegals are coming into this country and are sending their money they make back to Mexico to their families, because that builds the Mexican Governments economy up so go figure...

There is many other things I can argue, but the main this is I think they should come up with a way to secure the borders and make it to where less illegals are coming into this country, and more have to come here legal like every other citizen. I doubt thats going to happen any time soon or if at all unless we get someone in office that isn't all about money, but more about keeping our country safe and secure.

 

They're letting them in because government gets money from corporations. They try to keep the corporations happy.

Yes, they do do the jobs you dont want to.

Many come to your country because indirectly you made them broke. Your government subsidizes US farmers so they can undercut the competition (in this case Mexican farmers) in the world market. So US farmers are selling like crazy, Mexicans get nothing. You made them broke, so they come to your country so they can feed their families.

Also you get many of your products for cheap because of illegal immigrants like them. If they were gone, you'd complain about having to pay twice as much for everything.

But Im not for them getting into the country, just explainig their rational.

 

Never really thought of the products... very much true, but im sure theres many more products we get from china than Mexico.

About the jobs, ya I would agree they do the jobs most people don't want too, but what I was saying is that a lot of people say basically that if there weren't under paid Mexicans doing s##tty jobs then we wouldn't know what to do, which isn't true.

 

Keep this constructive and let's not have any flaming.

 

Theoretically: I believe that they have no right to be in the country. They (and that's every illegal immigrant, not just the Mexican/Central American ones) piss all over the process that my family took to get into the nation and obtain a citizenship. It took them five years to get their citizenships from the Netherlands; it takes these guys a few weeks to get across one of the borders. "(Illegal) Immigrant Rights" is one of the most contradictory phrases that comes up; they aren't entitled to ANY rights that US citizens recieve. They're here illegally; the constant news coverage only gives them legitimacy.

Practically: unless you advocate building a giant wall and putting armed guards on it every few hundred feet, there is no way to stop it. There is no real way to get the 12+ million that are here out, unless you've got an illegal-immigrant death ray that can selectively suck up those aforementioned immigrants and place them back in their home countries.

 

I'm having some sort of grudge against the ones coming to Holland which are from islamitic country's in general, they're arrogant, searching problems, stealing, vandalism and many more. Most of them don't speak the dutch language and act like holland is some sort of the new marroko or ----. It's annoying. If they act normal, like any other citizen, it's ok to me. But it seems like they don't do that.

For the immigrants out of other countries, ok, there are some cool people coming. Some not, but that's ok. They act normal and don't do the thngs that the ones above do.

 

Netherlands isnt Islamic (if thats what you mean to say). You can say that about any type of people. Dont generlize and stereotype. The same can be said about US citizens or immigants from anywhere else.

@jrauk
The cost of products would still be here, because even though many products come from China, the people working at Wal-Mart etc.... are still illegal immigrants.

 

I would have to agree with Ferret. I believe they should crack down on illegal immigrants. Many of them say its a right to live here, Well i hate to break it to them it's a PRIVILEGE to live in America where we have freedom and we get good wages. If those immigrants want to come here and get a citizenships then let them thats cool with me, but those illegal ones who bumb welfare of us and then go back to their families and stuff. Yeah thats lame.

 

Ferret very much agreeable about the wall, but I mean there has got to be a way to make it harder for the illegals to come into this country. They should have more proposals on things about the border instead of just saying some BS and then not going through with it... like just about every other politician.

 

well I don't really know alot about illegal immigrants since i live in canada and it's much easier to get into the country legally P) but from what i HAVE seen on the news the illegal immigrants cause alot of grief for the country... when they get in they automatically assume that makes them canadian.. then when someone finds out they bring them all the way to liek the supreme court and the way the news covers it makes it appear that the government is like picking on this person. even though they are here illegally.. i think it's rediculous.

 

Same way in the States, only writ large. You've got these jackasses going around in our streets and waving (insert home nation's flag) around, demanding citizenship/legal residency, and then falling back on their "right to peaceful assembly" when the protest gets broken up--they aren't subject to those rights. They toss a bunch of rocks at cops, get shot at with rubber bullets and have some tear gas tossed in, and then run over to the local ACLU office and claim oppression. Sad part is that these "defenders of American freedom" will support them, no matter what.

 

With the amount of crap going on today I have a feeling a lot of things are going to be taken away from its citizens, in which doesn't involve them.

 

if there going to keep people out of the country because then there illegal, then its obviously a good idea. why would they let people in who are illegal?

 

there is a wrong way, and a right way to enter the US.

wrong: sneaking across the border in the middle of the night
right: filing the proper papers to get a work permit/green card


its retarded to say that we caused mexico to be poor/"broke" if that was the case why are canadian farms thriving?

 

Look the only reason that the u.s has so many illegals is because before 2003 if they cought you at the border they let you come in the country. Then after that they started catching people at the borders and sending them back. and now they complain on all these illegals they got the best you can do is give them social securities so they can work legaly. I feel this way because in 1999 i went to the u.s illegaly and i got deported in july last year. It's gay because when i got cought at the border in 1999 they let us in the country.