Killing People For Our Freedom

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Konekokaze, Nov 12, 2006.

  1. CaptainPeanuts

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    eh, stfu... Blaze=suxorz...lol. I gotta talk to you...
     
  2. DeLaY

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    well i think bush should just get taken out of office, he obviously doesnt care what the american people want since about 80% of us hate him. besides he doesnt listen to us anyways when we say we dont need more troops over there, he is like well regardless i have the final say. Alright then why ask us or tell us what your oging to do if you already have it in your head what u want and dont care what we think. The dude is an A$$hole. Cant wait for him to be outta office.
     
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    AGREED
     
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    Thats pretty much how everyone feels about Bush atm. Nothing new there besides the fact the dems and repubs want him out of the office equally.
     
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    You mean the same American people that elected him and then bitched when it didn't work out perfectly? This blind hate stuff needs to stop; disagreeing with him is fine, but 95% of you kids don't know a thing about what you're talking about.

    How is he an asshole? He didn't do what you wanted? He kept us in Iraq when the going was easy and didn't pull out when people started dying (Oh, so what about about 70% of Congress supported the war at its start? Congress was about 52/48 Republican/Democrat at the time. The approval ratings for the public were about the same...)? You can support pulling out of Iraq immediately if you want, but know that you'll be back there in about ten years when it becomes Somalia 2.

    Like it or not, once he's elected, he can do what he believes is right for the nation. And, to me, he's done some good things and some bad things. I probably would have voted for him in 2004 if I hadn't been 16 at the time of the elections.

    The people that you really need to bitch to are Congress. They make the final call on almost everything; want something changed, write your local CongressCritter a letter.
     
  6. nuetronist

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    as much as I hate you for saying that, id have to agree...

    still, the "coincidences" around Bush are quite...alrming (?)

    For instance:

    He holds a whole ----load of shares in some tank company that benefits everytime the US buys a tank to fuel warfare...now what war is goin on right now?

    also, what about the shizz about all the oil in Iraq, Saddam Hussein is gone, there are no weapons of mass destruction, so really, what is the US doing in there?


    iunno
     
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    I think their suppose to be helping to rebuild the country and restore peace. --I heard not my opinion.
     
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    ....Even Bill Clinton and John Kerry stated that there are (or rather were ) weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The problem is, as they've all stated themselves, is that they've given Iraq years to hide it. And they did, so how when America went to go ahead and check it, they're gone.

    Saddam Hussein being gone means there's even MORE reason to stay there. We need to keep the country from falling apart. It's not even us, it's plenty of other countries. We're there to STABILIZE THE COUNTRY!!!!

    CAN'T ANY OF YOU IDIOTS REALIZE THAT THERE'S REASON TO BE IN IRAQ??? Ugh, people are so incompetent. :(
     
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    Really now? So now Iraq went from being an armed murderer, to a baby that can't even walk, and needs the US to hold its hand every step of the way?
     
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    When a country loses it's LEADER, whom killed his own people, it DOES become a baby that can't even walk. The country still IS an armed murderer, soldiers are dying nearly every day. Even my friend's friends died in this war. It's a senseless armed murderer, more or less. Their leader is gone, the country was already on the verge of civil war, and also the country has basically no armed forces and enough policemen to handle everything. That's why we have soldiers over there. To get some order done, and also cause Iraq defied 17 UN regulations. So :tongue:
     
  11. ferret

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    And did anybody ever look into the fact that those shares purchases were made prior to his presidency? Bill Clinton held quite a few shares in the defense industry if I understand correctly. What's the big deal? He's got it schemed out years in advance about how he's going to get the presidency, buy shares in a defense contractor, and then reap millions when the company decides (on its own) to take the government contract?

    The only real item with oil, Iraq, and the invasion that I see was the securing of oil pumping facilities (by the UK) and the oil drilling facilities (by the US) at the start so Saddam wouldn't play Let's See How Much Oil I Can Dump Into The Gulf, Round 2 - ------ the Whales. If we're there for oil, either Bush has got one giant-ass oil container somewhere or it's not getting taken; gas prices are up, our Strategic Oil Reserves are at the same level they've always been, and Iraq is making billions off of the industry regardless of the chaos that the country is currently enveloped in.
     
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    Well regardless, now in 10 years time Iraq is going to split up through civil war anyways. Probably into seperate regions based on religion. Then the US is going to ally with 1 of them, and take their oil in turn for protection etc.

    Im not saying that was the US plan to begin with, but thats what they are going to cause.

    Did you guys honestly expect it to be over easily without a fight? Of course they're gonna have insurgents fighting back, because they hate your ideals. You messed up their country after the gulf war. But now that the US is there, they have to stay until its fixed, and not ----- out like Blair just so he can gain approval ratings and stay in office. DUMB SOB that guy is. Hes worse than Bush.
     
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    I personally do not hate Bush because he is merely a puppet for the ruling class But Ferret, we are looking on how he has handled Iraq and there is no doubt he did a horrible job and the whole military is under his authority hence "commander and chief" Who cares if congress voted for Iraq? It doesnt matter because they were voting for a war that would liberate the people of Iraq and then be out but everyone in the goverement miscalucated the power of the Iraqi/Arab insguence and the only person who can be charged with not dealing with them is Bush, once congress passes the bill to support the war they cant really do much to handle what is going on, it is now in the hands of the presidency and the generals under the white house.
     
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    Yes, he's the "commander in chief," but he can't act without Congressional approval on about 80% of the stuff that "he" does. Bush didn't "miscalculate;" the people that thought that this would be an invade-free-give them elections-leave deal-over in a year deal are the ones that have. Bush told people that it wouldn't be easy. His "mission accomplished" speech was directed towards major combat oparations, i.e. the Iraqi army. He didn't say we were done.

    Once Congress decides that the war is/was a mistake, it can cut funding for everything that doesn't involve getting our troops out of there. I'll guarantee you that Bush would listen to that; we're spending millions upon millions a month to keep our troops there.
     
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    he said everyone in the goverment miscalculated. not bush specifically.
     

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