Abortion Rights

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  1. kirbir

    kirbir Senior Member

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    Eh i totally disagree, the father of the child should have a say in the matter, he has as much right over the child as the childs mother has and i think it is cruel to not include him. They made the child together therefore he should be able to say whether he wants to keep the child or not, whether they agree or not is another matter but the father SHOULD be included.

    I don't give a ---- if it is the woman who has to carry the child for 9 months that is her problem but if she didn't want to have a child (no matter what her age is) she should have used some sort of protection or not had sex at all. I do not feel sorry for these young women who have a child at a young age, it is their own damn fault and should know better, they are old enough to know what they are doing and what the consequences could be.

    Now onto the killing, there are alot of killings everywhere, no-one can stop that but no-one in the right mind should kill their child, no matter how hard her life gets, she had sex, she got pregnant, its her own damn fault, i have no sympathy for her. If she was to kill her child then i would rather have had her have an abortion, that would be more kind to the child than having to suffer by the hands of his/her own mother.

    If i was to get pregnant at an early age and i did not want the child, i would surely let the father have a say in the matter. (But i never would have had one in the first place, i am not like that)

    We all have different views on this but i stick to what i say regarding a childs father.
     
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    In November of 2006, I actually did vote on legistlation on the matter. Magical stuff, these elections.

    The way you stated that, (to me), it does sound like you are. Rather, you're accusing me of trying to impede on other people's lives and such. Let's re-phrase the reply:
    Just because I disagree with something does not mean that I am forcing them to choose the option that I happen to agree with.
     
  3. insanecritic

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    ferret... you rock. There are sadly few people left who will actually carry out their own part of a debate without resorting to name-calling and being a general moron. Plus you basically stated my standpoint on the issue much more clearly than I could have.

    +1
     
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    @ferret: I agree and disagree with the first part of your post. The majority of teenage pregnancies come from people ----ing around and taking stupid risks, but just remember that no birth control is 100% watertight. What about the 16 year old girl that IS being responsible, and IS using protection and having sex responsibly that winds up pregnant because the condom broke or her last birth control pill didn't digest properly.

    And to those of you that are intending to reply to this post by going "Well then you just shouldn't have sex if you're not prepared to take that risk", then you shouldn't go outside, because harmfull pollutents in the air can lead to throat and lung cancer, which, if intrusive, can spread to your brain and leave you in a vegatablised state in a hospital bed somewhere.

    However, i wholeheartedly agree with the second half, adoption is much better than abortion. though saying that, i read in the newspaper mid-last year about a child who, when he found out he was adopted, assualted and raped a woman, then commited suicide, due to the emotional trauma caused by the feeling he wasn't wanted. Adoption has its downsides too, there is no perfect answer to this situation.
     
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    Then it’s a tough call. Personally, I’d rather not see the kids having sex in the first place. But, the chances of pregnancy between condom use, “the pill,” and “night-after” pills (basically making the sperm impotent), there’s about as much of a chance at the woman getting pregnant as there is me dying from taking a ---- (though it *is* possible; ask Elvis ;) ).

    It’s a tough call, really.
     
  6. kirbir

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    Well condoms and the pill are not 100%, there have been alot of cases where women have been caught pregnant with these contraceptives.

    The night after pill, which is commonly known as the morning after pill ;) is also not 100%.

    The best contraceptive out there at the moment in my opinion is the implanon, i have heard of no-one being caught pregnant whilst having one of those, there are a few downsides to that though like any other contraception :)
     
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    implanon? I've heard of a diagaphram (sp?). In NZ they have an add on the radio for something thats inserted into the fellopian tubes, and can be removed at any time, that sound right?
     
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    abortion should be allowed because it could help save the world one day
     
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    Abortion rights future kids have rights. Marches are funny to me. Its like lets kill babies lets kill babies!!! dumb women shouldn't get knocked up if there going to kill the unborn.

    Heard story about the olympics where women would get pregnant then have an abortion because they get increased hormones when there pregnant
     
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    elaborate pleasies
     
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    this is a very controversial topic it can be looked at in many ways. one way is its a living thing and it be like murder. the other way is its a womans body so its her choice. i see it as the goverment should have no say in it iit woulkd be a womans right to do it its kinda like freedom of speech. i just heard that a kid needs 200k plus till its 18. you can buy a house with that money. but wutever way u want to look at it it should be the womans choice but the man should have alil bit of choice between it since it is his seed being passed on or destroyed. its really a hard topic to discuss but wut topic in health isnt.

    well thats my veiw on it sorry if it might be a hard read.

    -DoomedKiller-
     
  12. kirbir

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    No thats not it :)

    http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100004325.html
     
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    Blazeman Am I Evil?

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    Doing that your taking the Woman's Right to have control over her own body and herself...you cant just force a baby on someone... Yuor going to have alot more issues if you force a unwanted baby, because you'd have to have a watch on the mother through the 9 months and have someone basically hold her hand for the first few years so they know she wont try to kill it.

    The Man can't tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body if she believes different. Its the basic Human Rights of a Woman that would be violated. And that goes under Freedom and is against what my country believes.

    You can out law abortion that just means a longer trip for Women in general they will still get the operation done if its by a doctor or by themselves if they really don't want it. Its like forcing someone to inject themselves with a drug. Its just not right.

    All in All the Woman will have to answer to the man upstairs when she dies for what she has done.
     
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    Where we got Condoms for? If you don't want a child but do want sex, than use a condom. If you don't have one, take a morning after pill instead of it. You can prevent getting pregnant, and if your stupid enough not to use a pill or a condom, it's your own damn fault. It's simple as that. I'm against abortion as there are enough ways of preventing being pregnant and if your like "oops forgotten" than I guess you learned your lesson.
     
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    No we wouldnt be taking the womans right of her controling her own body, i never once said that so i do not know where you got that from.

    Like i said, the father of the child should be included in whether he wants to keep the baby or not, also i said whether the woman decides to have the child or not is entily up to her but atleast then she knew what the father wanted and he was included in the matter.

    Just going out and having an abortion without letting the father know is down right cruel and i would never do that to anyone!

    Abortions will never be outlawed that is a fact. A woman should look at all her options though before deciding to have an abortion, she should think about what she is doing and if she truly does want to abort her child before doing so. Kids of today get pregnant and dont even think about what they are doing and just go and have an abortion straight away and that pisses me off. There are many women in the world who would love to have a child and can not have one of their own and you have all these kids just going out and having abortions...meh.
     

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