Abortion Rights

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  1. Rufio

    Rufio Well-Known Member

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    Im trying to figure out what a lot of you only consider abortion as the only option for young pregnate teens. its called ADOPTION and its a lot cheaper and less immoral than abortion. And using adoption, you get to avoid murdering a baby!
     
  2. insanecritic

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    If you're liable to being offended, you might not want to read this post.

    I have strong views on abortion. I believe that it is profoundly wrong to kill a baby because it would be inconvenient for the mother to keep it alive. It's difficult for me to comprehend willingly and knowingly choosing to kill an infant like that.

    I've already seen the statement that "A fetus isn't a baby" used in defence of abortion rights. I simply can't (and don't) believe that. Psalm 139 reads:


    13 For you created my inmost being;
    you knit me together in my mother's womb.

    15 My frame was not hidden from you
    when I was made in the secret place.
    When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

    16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
    All the days ordained for me
    were written in your book
    before one of them came to be.

    Could it be much clearer that God has plans for children before birth? If He is planning their lives before they're born, who are we to end those lives before they can be lived?

    Now the argument that I consider the most valid would be a mother wanting an abortion after a rape, or a young woman who can't support her child wanting an abortion. These are tragic situations, however I still believe that abortion should be out of the question.

    Notice that Psalm 139 doesn't read "You knit me together in my mothers womb... All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be... because I was born under normal circumstances." It doesn't descriminate as to how a child is conceived, it merely states that when a child is conceived, God already has a plan for him/her.

    Now, I guarentee that there are people who want to scream at me and accuse me of forcing my beliefs on everyone else. To those people: These are MY beliefs. I NEVER ONCE said that they had to be your beliefs or anyone else's.

    I truly am sorry if I have offended anybody, but these are just my beliefs.


    I would really like it if abortion was illegal, however, that would be forcing my beliefs on others. Because of how touchy this subject is, politicians really can't do anything about it. If they try to regulate it too much, people will complain loudly. If they don't regulate it at all, people will complain loudly. It's ultimately up to your beliefs whether or not you'll get an abortion, but my personal beliefs tell me that the world would be better without the option of abortion.
     
  3. Greasy Pete

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    abortion is probably alot faster than adoption
     
  4. xlink

    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    out of curiosity, how is abortion a right?
     
  5. Broken

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    If the mother wants to have an abortion its up to her.
    I dont think the Father should actually have a say since he isn't the one who has to sit through labour and if he actually wants a kid then he should have had one with a woman who does.

    Its not "Murder" technically, since it's not illegal and a lot of people complain that putting your baby up for Adoption is the right thing to do. However, when the baby is born its FAR Harder to let it go then before it is born, and if the mother cant handle the child there will be problems.

    Also, when putting a baby up for adoption it means the woman still has to go through labour to then just lose a baby, which in my opinion while still a featous isnt actually a "Life".

    And to round it all off, if the baby is going to be born with a serious disability, or there is a good chance it will be then Abortion is perfectly viable in my opinion. Why have a baby born so it can live through its life, crappily? Death isnt so bad, once your dead you dont care. You get to chill.
     
  6. Lennox

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    Ya exactly what broken just said. If a lot of mtohers wanted abortion but couldnt do it, then after birth its likely they could develop that post-maternal depression disease whatever its called and do some really really dumb stuff.
     
  7. ferret

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    If they didn't *want* the child, why didn't they abstain from the sex in the first place? 5 ccs of semen into someone's reproductive tract doesn't give the person very good odds of not getting pregnant.

    It's called "responsibility." Sex has its consequences and if you're willing to have the fun, you'd better be OK with having the consequneces of it. Can't deal with it? Tough ----. Don't have sex or get started on birth control.

    Abortion isn't dealing with a problem, it's running away from it. Tough choices have to be made, but if you're not willing to have the kid, don't have sex.
     
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    furthermore, the argument of rape is rather mute, the percentage of abortions with rape being a factor are virtually non-existant.
     
  9. dharmesha13

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    im neither against abortion nor for it....if a 14 year old girl is pregnent living in a trailer with a crackhead mom and an abusivie father.. no way to support the child or herself for that matter financially id tell her to abort the child..You dont want the child to suffer like that,,and never be able amount to anything

    But if your 30 years old and u got pregnent because your boyfriend thought condoms and birth control took away from the naturalness and sensation..and you believed him when he said "Ill only put it in for a second" then u dont deserve the option of aborting your child

    Their are different situations to what is right and wrong.their is NO definite answer..i think george w. should use some of the money hes wasting in Iraq and put it towards abortion judges where he/she decides if your case is legit.

    dude i see where your coming from....BUT its really easy to say yeah id have the baby instead of abortion and thats just murdering blah blah...considering your a guy( i am too) its nearly physically impossible for us to understand how that would feel

    "Im 2months pregnant...my belly will increase ize by 5times, im going to be puking a lot for the next 5 months, ill have to frequently go to the doctor, my boyfriend is going to leave me because he doesnt want the responsibility of being a dad....my life is ruined..etc....

    Only a few situations are a good excuse for abortions...but their are plenty of those situations out there...i would hate to see more little kids with no money, no place to go, and for them to know in the back of their mind that thier never going to accomplish anything in life..



    if i were to get a girl i loved pregnant 14..i would say "Ill be their with you every step of the way" then be there for her,..even if i knew i didnt want to be a father at such an early stage in my life..so if im 14 ill stay with her until im 16 to support her emotionally and the baby (our families will be doing the most) then il tell her im going to move on to other girls,but ill still keep in contact with you and the child

    So when im 18 chillin at clubs and bachelor partys i wont have something in the back of my head haunting me about abondoning my child and baby's momma
     
  10. McSammles

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    i dont really give a damn, honestly

    when you really think about it, its not YOU thats going to have to raise a child they cant afford or dont want, and its not YOU thats going to have to spend the rest of their lives wondering if they could have had more...

    I dont know when it became the business of the world wether or not some teenager or whatever wants to have a baby
     
  11. Broken

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    Every single thing you do in your life has consequences.
    If you dont want to get an Electric Shock, maybe you should never touch your computer again? If you dont want to get run over, you better not cross any more roads.

    And by the by, since when do you decide how they deal with these consequences? If Abortion is a way of dealing with it for someone then they have every right to do it.

    You say if people want to have sex they better accept the consequences, or dont do it.
    So if I want to go to the shops and happen to get shot or run over I have to accept that?

    Abortion isnt running away. For the most part, preventing a child with disabilities being born, low income family leading the child into poverty etc. etc.

    People shoudnt do something they enjoy because of one possible consequence?
    Your never going to have sex until you want a baby? :|
     
  12. Tw1tcH

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    I agree fully...
     
  13. ferret

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    So, explain to me why the sixteen year old newly-dropped out-five-month-pregnant-soon-to-be-mother didn't either abstain or use some form of birth control? That's what I mean. Kids don't need to ---- around with this kind of stuff. There's all sorts of birth control out there, ranging from simple condoms to pills. If they were too stupid to realize that, maybe they shouldn't have had sex. f

    Maybe it's just that I don't see sex as something that's soley there for my pleasure. Maybe it's just that I've witnessed firsthand how much it can ---- someone up because of what I did. Maybe it's just that my morals are a bit different than yours. Who knows?

    See, over here 90% of the abortions are because the mother was too stupid to use birth control or abstain when she was well off, able to support the child financially and such. Instead of going through with it, they pop the kid and it's done. I personally know a girl that's had three abortions. She's 23. She's also able to pay for college, pay for food, has a steady, decent-paying job, and has a relatively rich family. Yeah, not able to support the kid financially... :rolleyes:

    Everything that we do has consequences, yes. There's a difference between going to a shop and possibly creating life. In fact, a huge difference. Tell me, would you ---- around with, say, a loaded pistol, throwing it around and such like you would, say, a toy? There's a difference.(Also, how often do you get shot in stores over there in Europe? Most robbers just want the cash, not a murder rap and in most states a death penalty when/if they're caught over here. Fail.)

    See, the thing is that I can accept the fact that my computer might screw up and shock me. I can accept the fact that, when I drive to school tomorrow, I might get into a car crash. Those are things that I usually have no control over. Pregnancy, on the other hand, I do. I don't *have* to have sex. I can use birth control. Hell, I could get a vasectomy if I wanted. My girlfriend could get on the pill. Hell, she could choose not to have sex. The point is that if you're going to ---- around, you need to be aware of what can happen. Tough ---- that you didn't want the kid; you could have prevented that a few nights back if you didn't want it.

    Sex, to me, is something that you don't ---- around with. Let's just say that I've learned that the hard way. If the mother was raped, that's the only area that I support the abortion and even then I'd rather see the kid put up for adoption.

    Spare me the emotional trauma line; I also know a guy who was put up for adoption weeks after birth because his parents didn't want the kid. Turns out his mother's parents wouldn't let her get the abortion. Again, the mother was relatively well-off. He lived in foster care for all of his life until he turned eighteen. He's fine now.

    As for children with disabilities: are you saying the disabled have no right to life? My brother's deaf and autistic and my mother had information on this (that he would suffer from mental retardation and possible other defects) before the birth. He lives a nice, normal life. Goes to school, goes out to play, eats fine, has friends... Who is the mother to decide that the child has no right to live because it *might* be disabled (you're never sure until the child comes out; it's not completely predictable, barring the odd child that has its spine developing wrong or something like that - that can be fixed with a minor surgery and the child can be put right back into the womb)?

    And by the way: since when do you decide whether or not my opinion on a subject is wrong, stupid, or any number of things? Since when did I have the power to change or legistlate how mothers deal with their pregnancies other than voting? Since when did you decide how mothers should deal with their pregnancies? You preach tolerance with one hand and deny others their opinions with the other. Magical ----, Broken.

    P.S.
    I actually support the mother's right to do so here in America, even though I'm against it personally. One of those wonderful freedoms that I and every other American is guaranteed in the Constitution...

    Like I said, I'd rather see the child put up for adoption but it ultimately boils down to the mother. I just happen to disagree with how a rising number of mothers today are having abortions.
     
  14. Broken

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    I decided your opinion is wrong?
    As far as I see it I stated nothing about your opinion being wrong or stupid. I just replyed to your comment the same as you replied to mine.

    And thats the whole point, im not preaching how mothers decide what to do with their pregnancy, its the right to do what they want with the pregnancy. Which you apparently vote for...
     
  15. Blazeman

    Blazeman Am I Evil?

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    The problem is that its her body and she is the one carrying the baby all she has to do is say she doesn't want it and go and get it aborted...The man doesn't have much say since its her body and she is the one doing the whole 9 months of pregnacy...if she doesn't want it she will answer to the man upstairs and find out her fate. Even though its not right and I dont agree with Abortion its got to be --- choice to keep the rights of a human being the same. You can't force someone to keep a baby in them for 9 months...

    Your going to have a mother who hates a baby your going to have alot of people killing off their own kids :(
     

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