What Is Art And What Is Not.

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  1. zabiMARU.

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    Tags = Digital forum art.
     
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    No I don't.
    Making your own brush if you can much easier find one you need doesn't make you a better artists. And if you're doing that only cause you want to be a "real" artist your just un-smart. Of course, it making things yourself even when you can just fund it on the net is great for learning or for challenging oneself, but the final work doesn't get better or more artistic.

    Nor does it matter how much time you spent. The final image is what matters, not the way to it. And if your only object is to make a really nice piece of art taking the easiest way is the best way.
     
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    when you do things from scratch, it improves you as an artist. Althoughyou can take a short cut, you need to know that you can rely on your own skills when there isn't anything to borrow.
     
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    So taking someone elses hardwork and applying it to your own is "art" When you make something yourself its much more rewarding. Knowing that you made the brushes yourself and you make a decent signature and making a great signature using someone elses brushes. The former is much more rewarding in my opinion.

    People get better at art through trial and error. People do not get better by just using someone elses work on your own creations. It gets more artistic through practice. You don't get better through following a guide all your life.
     
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    Lol everyone on this site would have to agree tags are defiantly art work
     
  6. zabiMARU.

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    yep lol. i sort of disagree with Gurly. Because:

    You need to have artistic ability to put together brushes, stocks, renders, C4D.

    Well unless its like all C4D with one big C4D, well you get the picture lol.
     
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    Ctrl + V is artistic?
     
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    Pasting isn't really considered art, I agree. But it is art to blend them all in and change the look until it's finished. I think that's what elektrik was getting at.

    There are lots of types of art, and many different opinions out there. But in my opinion, tags are art just as much as Large Pieces are :)
     
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    Well something that definitely isnt art is graffitti, illegal graffitti.
     
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    Art is anything you want it to be.
     
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    I agree with a log of what you said to. It IS more rewarding, you do learn more. But combining other people's work is also a form of art. And knowing when to use other works and when it will be better to do everything yourself. People that refuse to use other works in means do improve their own belongs to the same category as those who never makes anything from scratch. They shut down a lot of possibilities and ways to work that will come in handy in some places.

    No, not saying it is wrong to never use any other peoples work. It might make you feel better, you think it is more rewarding to feel you've done everything yourself. Good for you! But don't think you're more of an artist or "better" for it.
     
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    1. it doesn't close any possibilities, if anything, it opens more.The possibilities of creating something from scratch superceed all imaginable possibilities of a -------borrowed piece. If you are a well rounded artist, what are you losing? people use other people's artwork because they're lazy (not talking about renders in tags/sigs), it's pretty simple. Obviously someone had to take the time to create the piece that you are borrowing from. Instead of making your own, you choose to take parts of someone else's artwork (which they worked to make) and use it. quit being lazy and make your own.

    2. it does in fact make you a better artist than those who take the shorcuts. If you do everything from scratch, it shows that you take the initiative in each and every piece you make. It also shows that you are willing to put in the time and effort into whatever you make.
     
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    1. Well, the pros of making something yourself is that you can create exactly what you want, the cons are that it takes a lot of time. It has nothing to do with laziness, but more of effectiveness. If I find a source good enough that noone will notice any difference, why make your own? Especially for small details, where it's not as important that it is exactly perfect, shortcuts can often be the most logical choice. Being able to do something from scratch opens a lot of doors as you will not be restricted to use other peoples work.

    2. So? Will the people who watch it think it is better? No. The only one who will consider you a better artist is those who know how it was made or those you told it for. It's a hard thing to realize. And I often myself feel as a first reaction that it is unfair when someone else has done something fairly simple and everyone loves it, while my übercomplex piece of work didn't work at all for other people. It's kinda natural, but when the first reaction has passed you'll have to realize that despite that you did something harder, you weren't better. Most people thought the opposite.

    I've never met the attitude that the one that choses the hardest way is the best in any other arena than art. When I go to a restaurant I don't consider the chief better if he slaughtered the meat himself, or growed the salad himself or whatever. The food doesn't taste better for that.

    EDIT: A question that actually have with this subject to do. Sapphire, what do you think about my sig?
     
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    why would doing genuine work be considered "harder?"

    You say why do it, if no one will notice...you will know, and ultimately, that is all that matters.

    of course, if you suck at art then you will not be able to make something better. It is still a matter of skill, it takes a truly talented artist to do works of art from scratch imo and have them pass the scrutiny of the public. Really, it doesn't matter what other people think of your artwork (some famous artists died before they even sold a piece), you should be able to honestly judge your skill level/talents, and see what you need to improve and work harder on. Grant it, your peers may come up with some ideas that can help you out, but ultimately, it is you who has the final say so.

    as far as your sig, i have a 5 point grading system:

    concept: lacks a concept (besides b&w)

    color: nuetral, ok...but not the best use of neutral colors.

    composition: n/a

    effects: n/a

    use of space: ...space is not wisely used

    rating: 3/10

    each thing is worth a max of 2 points, you lost 4 immediately for composition and effects. I deducted one from each of the other categories.
    10-4=6
    6-3=3

    whether you made it from scratch or not, doesn't affect the way the sig came out, i judge on what i see...not on if i think it's 100% original or not.
     
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    Firstly, thank you. This is not the first time I've had this conversation and 3/10 is among the highest I've got. And you also guessed right, it's all made from scratch, and you are completely right, it doesn't make it better art. Hey, it is made to make me easy-recognizable and not as a piece of art so it would've been weird otherwise.

    When I look at an artist, I look at what (s)he has done. And as said, if someone has done something from scratch or not doesn't matter, you judge the pieces after how good they look. If he's a genius when it comes to finding good sources or making things from scratch doesn't matter.

    I find it very weird to judge artists by how much work they put in, but judge their work after how they look. An artist is their artworks. That's what they should be judged after.

    To be able to make things from scratch opens many doors as you will be able to do things you couldn't before.
    To be able to find the sources you want will open many doors as you can work less time-consuming.

    That said, it is nothing wrong in either of them. Both ways demand skills. Sure, once in a while someone will have luck and make something really good without knowing it himself, just by combining the right thing, but without skill they won't be able to repeat it. Some people find lots of enjoyment in doing everything themselves, others want to be able to skip parts that they don't like doing or like to work fast. I don't see why any of them are wrong or better than the other.
     

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