That's wierd, I thought the Lebanese had settled down. I guess not. Wait, weren't they against Isreal at one time?
Morv, do you even know what is going on? Hizbullah has promised that the protest will be peaceful and so far it has. And what right does Israel have to intfer with Leabanon's politics.
Either way, I'm willing to bet that the Israelis would use military force to stop a Hezbollah government from taking power. It's not about the protests, it's about what they're protesting for. They're protesting for, in essence, a terrorist group to assume control of the government with the traditional Lebanese government to step down. That's against the Israeli foriegn policy, and whether you like it or not, it would result in an all-out war if the Hezbollah were the government of Lebanon, meaning even more ruin for the average Lebanese. And this time, they wouldn't stop with just Hezbollah. They'd run through the military and government as well. As for their right, they've got a right to stop what they see as a threat to themselves. Obviously, they'll try diplomacy, but from my standpoint, diplomacy doesn't work with some people (see the two kidnapped Israeli soldiers as a recent example). What will the UN do? Smile and wave and maybe have another General Assembly resolution passed against the Israelis (something that doesn't need to be followed - only the Secrurity Council ones are required to be followed by member states). And I'll tell you right now that the US will veto anything going through the Security Council about it, whether or not it seems right in some's eyes or not. Back to the "what right does Israel have..." comment: what right do the Arabs have to part of Jerusalem? What right do the Syrians have to the Golan Heights, which were lost in a war of agression? There are a lot of "what right..." questions that can be asked. Don't stop with Israel, Machavelli.
Yeah, I know Israel will strike Leabanon if Hizbuallah will take goverement. But that doesnt mean they have the right to do so. They are protesting because they are un-staisfyed with the current US-Backed goverement, and yes they want to take control of the goverement. But look at there current situation, they have a corruption filled US-Backed goverement who can not protect the nation. Israel attacking Palestine everyday is illegal and when Palestine strikes back it is considered terrorism, even when the hit military targets. While Israel attacks civilan targets in defense. Sorry mate, Israel did do that. They destryoed Military, Goverement, and Civilan targets. umm no Israel is the ones who never try dimploacy, they could have negotiate the realease of the 2 soilders and Israel plainly declined and started bombing civilan targets in Leabanon and Palestine. And your right the UN will do nuthing because the UN is useless as long as America has a veto power. Anything that goes through the security concuil will get vetoed. The fact that it was the Palestines land and the Jews just came in and kicked them out. Sorry in my eyes Israel shouldnt have been formed as a country becuase its founding was based upon a illegal and ethical wrong act. But that is a different story.
Did you know that it's not only the US that backs the government? They provided them with arms, but so did the Israelis. In fact, most of the M-16s you see in Hezbollah hands are Israeli weapons - the Israelis donated much of their M-16A1 stock to the Lebanese military in the 90s. The majority of the Lebanese military is of US designed and Israeli-owned origin. Just a bit of information. It's not just the US, it's the entire international community, including the UN that just recently passed a resolution stating that the Israelis have no right to impose their laws in their own capitol city of Jerusalem. Even the Israelis support the government, the one that helped wage five seperate wars of aggression against Israel itself. Hezbollah for government? No. I wouldn't support it, either. They're a terrorist group and, to be quite honest, they would use Lebanon for the same purpose the Syrians used the Golan Heights for: as a launching base for attacks into Israel. Only now, they'd have official government support, including that of the military. Is that right? Don't bring anything else into it: is it right for the Hezbollah to attack a nation and that nation not to respond? You do realize that if it were the US, Lebanon would be the equivalent of one big, giant parking lot right now, bombed into submission just like the Taliban were after 9-11 because they staged attacks on the US. The Israelis have actually shown quite a bit of restraint with the Lebanese. ________________________________________________________________ And some food for thought on the Israeli state: Israel was formed by the UN in 1948. There was an Israeli/Jewish state in the land of Israel 2000 years before Islam came about. There was an Israeli/Jewish state in the land of Israel. There was an Israeli/Jewish nation in the land of Israel. There was an Israeli/Jewish kingdom in the land of Israel. There was an Israeli/Jewish capital in the land of Israel. There were Israeli/Jewish kings in the Israeli/Jewish kingdom of Israel. There is an Israeli/Jewish culture and essence. The Romans, who conquered the land of Israel 2000 years ago, called the Israelis "Jews" and the land "Judea." It was not called "Palestine." The Romans gave a region hundreds of miles east the name Syria Palaestina. This region encompassed parts of Iraq, Arabia, Syria, and a little bit of Jordan. Most of Jordan and parts of western Syria were part of the "Judea" region. Let's look at the Palestinian side of things: There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian nation. There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian state. There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian kingdom. There were never in the history of the world Palestinian kings. There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian capital. There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian essence. There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian heritage. There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian culture. The modern-day Palestinians are Arabs brought to the land under the Ottoman Empire as part of the Muslim occupation of the region. They are not from Crete, not the Philistines that they are so often claimed to be. In fact, the Philistines weren't even Arabs. The Palestinians claim to be Arabs. There is no connection. After World War I, the British (who had a partition of the former Ottoman lands) called the region Palestine. This region included the Jews, Christians, and Muslims living in the region, not just the Arabs. Now here's the fun part: 1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennia before Islam. 2. Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "Palestinians" in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948. 3. After conquering the land in 1272 B.C., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years. 4. The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years. 5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it. 6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an. 7. David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it. 8. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier. 9. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and programs. 10. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948 under the urging of Arab leaders who promised their lands after the victory. Close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries. That's forced, not urged by Jewish leaders to get out of the way of a war of aggression. 11. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their co-religionists. Instead, they chose the region of then-Palestine-now-Israel. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey, USA. 12. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state. 13. Fattah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms. They recieved suicide bombers and rockets in return. 14. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths. 15. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel. 16. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall. 17. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them. 18. Zuheir Mohsen, a prominent member of the PLO, said this in a March 1977 interview with a Dutch newspaper: A member of the PLO said this of the Palestinians. ________________________________________________________________ Machiavelli, who were you calling criminals? Who did you say didn't have a right to exist?
Wanna hear something funny? Israeli soldiers are now visiting Arabic highschools to try and recruit Arabs.
Wanna hear something else that's funny? There are Arab battalions in the IDF. Look up the Druze. They're Arab and they're also one of the most highly decorated units in the IDF. And they're also Israeli; each member of the IDF needs an Israeli citizenship. Non-Israelis are not required to serve in the IDF, but Israeli citizens must serve for two-three years upon graduation of high school. If they're Israeli citizens, they're going to serve. Pure and simple. Ethnicities do not stand in the way.
Oh my. Didn't u see how many civilians the IDF was killing everyday in the conflict. They weren't showing much restraint at all.
Nice, I am glad we can all copy and paste stuff http://mosaicmiami.blogspot.com/ http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=11362 And just as you I can copy/paste facts 2) This is incorrect. A unique Palestinian identity was seen to be forming in Palestine soon after the Young Turks 1908 revolt. An analysis of periodicals within Palestine show a marked increase in unique nationalist sentiments. Some of these identified with Greater Syria while others did not. 3) Correct, however it is important to mention that there was a heavy Arab presence from the 7th century to the present which is a great deal of time. 5) Both King Abdullah and King Hussein visited Jerusalem. 7) Incorrect, the Jebusites a pre-Israelite people founded Jerusalem. King David conquered the city and made it the capital of Israel. Muhammad may not have set foot in it but Caliph Umar did which is just as symbolic for Muslims. 8) This does not mean Jerusalem has no religious value to Muslims, it is the 3rd holiest place behind Mecca and Medina. Comparing it the Mecca seems ridiculous. 9) This is correct (I would like no know where you got the 68%) however you fail to mention the Haganah's Plan D which according to both Benny Morris and Avi Shlaim had a large effect on the Arab refugee problem. 10) This is completely incorrect. In the 19th century 1/3 of the world's Jewish population was within the Arab world with large concentrations in Morocco, Egypt, Syria and Iraq. The Dhimmi or People of the Book were often treated as second class citizens but rarely was violence committed against them. There is no Kurdistan, but we do indeed have Kurds. In fact... there are tons of ethnicities and cultures that exist outside of geographically defined "states" and "nations". That being said... From 1927 to 1948, the British officially recognized Palestine as a state/territory of the British Empire. Ships were registered to Palestine. Official business was done in the name of Palestine. 12) Shouldn't this make you more sensitive to the Palestinian problem and give them an even greater sense of unique identity? 14) Fatah does not call for the destruction of Israel although Hamas does. Israel never got to the point of ceding 'most' or even close to the majority of the West Bank due to deterioration of the peace process. 18) What about 1956 Sinai? Lebanon War? 1973 was a military non-victory for both sides but a political victory for the Egyptians in that Sadat achieved all of his objectives and renewed the peace process. It is also important to understand that Israel's foreign policy of non-negotiation (refusal of the Jarring Mission and Sadat Interim Agreement Initiative) and security policy of escalation dominance and cumulative deterrence in clashes with Syria over water projects led directly to the War of Attrition. To say the Arabs started all the wars in flatly incorrect.
