this thread is a discussion topic only no reputation should be given wether it be negative or positive from this thread. if you are offended by this thread too bad we did not force you to read it now you see this all came to me at school on friday when we had the marine recruiters at our lunch table. my friend alec decided it would be a good idea to ask him if he ever killed a man. the marine said yes for your freedom. but as i do belive i was already "free" when he killed the man. now my friend replyed "no you killed him for george's immoral war" the marine looked slightly pissed and sad "do you like your freedoms?" and then "then shut your mouth" now as i may recall i am "freed" and i can say what i think. then who is he to tell me or any of my friends to shut up? now this all leads up to my point: do we really need to kill hundreds of thousands of people for our freedom? aren't we already free? in my oppinon we are killing hundreds of people for no reason. all we really need to do is better secure our borders and we can remain free. we dont need to get in on other peoples buisness or anything elese. post what you think here. [/SIZE]
If reffering to the war in Iraq, then that has nothing to do with our freedom, here in England if the marines came recruiting in school there would be public outcry.
by his immoral war yes indeed i am refering to the war in iraq. we've got him. there in a CIVIL war . its not our job to fight it for them
"We will not stop until we blow the White House up" - Al Qaeda Okay, well that quote is pretty powerful.. Now the merits of the war in Iraq may be at question, but they don't have much to do with the question you asked. If it is necessary to kill a terrorist organization to insure the lives of your own country go right ahead. Personally, if you have to kill 100,000,000 people that's sole purpost is to ruin the lives of other for no reason, there is nothing morally wrong with that. According to the legal system, there is nothing wrong with it either. If someone comes into your house, you can use equal force to remove the threat (i.e. if they use a knife, you can use a knife). Now, if your question is, is Bush right in killing people in Iraq then claiming it's for our freedom? Well, then the answer is NO.
buut wtf are we doing over there taking their freedom [if they had any] away from them? huh? why dont we secure our freedom..on OUR ----ing land? ey? yeah
Lol, this is... anyways, You wouldn't be free unless you had marines or the army over there fighting. What they did to the trade centers is only the beginning to what they wish to do. I think you're rather lucky you were punched by one of the marines. If I risked my life for you, and you showed blatant disrespect like that, I would have done more then told you to just shut your mouth. You may be free right now, but if all we did was sit at home sucking our thumbs you wouldn't be. Show some more respect then that, sheesh... Merged Post: They had none. I'm just curious as to if you put any actual thought into your posts? Or do you just listen to the media and use their opinions? You act like you made a point, well, let me burst your bubble for you. You didn't. You aren't even in the ball park. They had NO freedem. Saddam had their butts tied up. We are trying to make it better for them, as the super power of the day, that's our job. We went to the UN, we asked for their help, they said no...so we decided to do it by ourselves. He was a threat, and now no longer is. He'll be hanged by Feb. People with such disrespect to people risking their lives is very, irritating to me. Mainly, because it's ignorant disrespect.
yeah i think about it dumb----..TOO ----ING BAD why would we go get into ---- thats not our problem? they can either move to another country or stay ignorance is bliss. yeah? i agree
Ignorance is...well, rather ignorant. It was our business. Whatever happens in this world is the whole world's business. We all live on the earth. Whatever happens, effects us in some way. Whether trade, or anything else. He's a terrorist, we swore to kill terrorist. Simple. Merged Post: Gosh, so niave. Suddam wouldn't let them leave. You're beginning to irritate me.
its called not telling saddam? yeah more like sneaking out? yeh ok lol ur irritating me aswell with ur pointless thinking..use logics yeah?
Well, Iraq, the reasons behind it, or whether or not you agree or disagree with it has nothing to do with it. The Marine (learn to capitalize...) killed, fought, shed blood, and saw friends shed blood and even die for your sake. It's not giving you freedom; you've already got that. It's defending it. Whether or not you agree with the reasons for why the Marine fought has nothing to do with it. He/she still signed up for his or her own reasons, fought for and defended your right to criticize him or her. Don't be a dick to those in the military. They don't make policy. They enforce it. Whether or not they agree with it does not matter. Once they sign the dotted line and go off, they agreed to be sent wherever the government dictated. They may not like the reasons behind the war, but they'll do it, not for policy or some abstract theory, but for you, me, your friend, and the rest of his countrymen. That's it.
i think bush is a dumb ass and many of the people which voted for him even though. iraq is dangerous , you got to attack. the iraq is out of weapons and power, it's easy to beat em.
Whether or not he is killing people, that is fine and dandy until the Al Queda or the Strong Sick and Twisted forces of Iraq Threaten us with words that can be harmful. My Uncle has been to Iraq and he has told me all of the twisted stories that go on over there in Iraq. They were once on a Night Duty, where they were watching over the squad making sure nothing happend. My Uncle was playing with a little kid there and talking to his mother, then all of a suddenly they get ambushed by over 200 soldiers when the enemy has RPGs and Ak-47s. Good thing he is in an armory unit, they blew their asses away with their tanks and heavy machine guns. The point is they are trying to kill us who are just protecting in what we believe in.
I think, with things like this, it's all down to your situation and the way you perceive it. While there may just be ulterior motives in the top-level where the decisions are made, there is a need to kill and destroy the terrorist threat. The war in Iraq is just the world fighting against extremists in a 'them or us' situation. Because if the Iraqi terrorists aren't taken on, they won't go 'oh, well they've stopped fighting, it's time to disband'. They aren't fighting for peace, and apparently conversely to the US, they don't seem to be too fussed with killing their own citizens to get a leg-up. Think of it like this: - The world stops fighting terrorist activity. - (Best case) The terrorists falter for a while, expecting ulterior motives. - Terrorists bomb/kill the Western 'infidels'. Nothing is sacred - not soldier, not civilian, not anything. As opposed to: - Terrorists lose, are stamped out. - US and the rest of the world put in to fix up the country. In both cases, you can't avoid the deaths of innocent victims (though one would result in a much larger death-toll), but who would YOU rather it be? You, your family, your friends... or a faceless, nameless foreigner? It might sound cold and selfish, but there's no way I'm choosing to kill my loved ones to save faceless, nameless others. BTW, with all of that Marines stuff: respect is earned. It may just be that the majority of the Marines are worthy of my respect, but not everyone in the military is someone I'd respect, so I reserve my right to disrespect and show disrespect to anyone who I find unworthy of it. And that includes the dead ones. The above were just my opinions. I expect many of you will disagree, as is your right, and it certainly makes things more interesting. Also, if you're willing to generalise down to 'Iraq' rather than 'Iraqi terrorists' or 'terrorists', then save bandwidth and just don't post.
As do I . You put absolutely no thought into the post. Iraqis are free as of May 2003. As a matter of policy, the US supports freely-elected democratic governments and opposes those who oppress their own countries (i.e. Saddam). If you honestly believe that Saddam wasn't our problem, I take it that you also believe that Bush snuck into the Towers, blew them up, and blamed al-Qaeda? I take it you also believe that Bush is just trying to get oil, that the Israelis are just trying to kill a bunch of Arabs because they're all racists, and Dick Cheney is corrupting everything about our government? Honestly. Saddam had WMDs. Did any of you idiots stop to realize that a WMD is more than just a nuclear weapon? Chemical weapons count too, and we've got documented proof of the Iraqis using them, both in war and on his own population. When the Coalition invaded Iraq, there was a line drawn on the map about fifty kilometers from Baghdad. At and beyond that line, it was believed that the Iraqis would use chemical weapons (nerve agents etc., also known as weapons of mass destruction) against our forces. That's why all of the pictures from the invasion show the troops in MOPP/NBC suits, because there was a threat that Saddam would use them. Now, Saddam is scheduled to be hung for gassing the Kurds in the eighties. They've got piles upon piles of evidence for that one incident, which by the way is a war crime and can get the International Court of Justice (the UN) after you (see the late Slobodan Milosevic as an example - both commited genocide, another big no-no in the international community). Unfortunately, the UN lacked the will to go after Iraq over this, so the Coalition took it upon itself to act against what they saw as a threat to themselves and the rest of the world. The Iraqis, pre-2003 couldn't leave their own country without government permission (meaning only Ba'athists and those with a hell of a lot of money) and quite a bit of money, something the average Iraqi did not have. Aside from that, all Iraqis were not allowed to move outside of Iraq and "live somewhere else" as you put it. Instead, they stayed in Iraq (or risked execution, torture, and the killing of their families and/or their families being charged for the costs of torturing and killing the executee). Saddam was a dictator. He was not "freely elected" because he rigged the ballots, threatened and intimidated those who opposed him, and did everything short of putting a gun to the voters' heads. It's not a surprise that Saddam happened to win by around 99% at each election. If you actually believe that they were free, as you are in the UK or the US or most other places, you're just plain naive. If it wasn't our problem, explain the al-Qaeda training camp (with chemical weapons no less) that was found up in the Kurdish region of Iraq. It's documented. When the camp was raided early in the invasion, the al-Qaeda fighters simply slipped over the border to Iran, to be observed through binoculars being met by some sort of officials. Also explain the fact that passports of known terrorists were found with Iraqi visas, and also please be so kind as to explain why their foriegn minister happened to meet with certain al-Qaeda members pre-invasion? Were they having a tea party up in that camp? Must have been... If it isn't/wasn't our problem, the US really ought to think about revising its foriegn policy, because according to set foriegn policy since Washington was president, the US has opposed dictatorship of any form and strongly supported democratically-elected governments. --- The Marines part --- To the ignorant among us, the Marines (or the Air Force, Army, and Navy) do not force people to join at the schools. They are not allowed to even single someone out and approach them. The potential recruit must approach them. And in the UK, do you seriously look that far down upon military service as to oppose any recruitment at all? I will say that about 90% of the replies in this thread have been ignorant, uninformed replies that are full of disrespect for those who give you the right to disrespect them. Whiplash21: You have the right not to respect those in the military. However, you should always do so, regardless of whether you agree with the policy that puts them where they are. If you reserve that right, those in the military reserve the right to absolutely hate you and others who disrespect them. The only difference is that they are not allowed to touch you while in uniform most of the time, while you can spit on them, burn the flag in front of them, and do many other unspeakable things. I'm shocked at the fact that so many of you have the complete lack of respect for the military that you've shown because of your ignorant and largely uninformed opinions of the US president and the United States itself.
