The American Flag

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  1. Biomechanica

    Biomechanica Well-Known Member

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    I can't believe people get all excited because some tards in far-away-istan burn their flag. Let 'em burn it, sure it's a symbol of hate towards the country who's flag they're bruning but it doesn't actually harm anyone. They're better of bruning flags than crashing into skyscrapers.
     
  2. xlink

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    last time i checked, you didn't say anything when you burned the flag.

    freedom of expression is diferent than freedom of speach the last time i checked.
     
  3. Morv

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    @Dementia.. Thanks for replying so far, its nice to have a good discussion.

    Anyway :P

    200 hundred years ago, yes. But nowadays i'm sure people with any sort of brain wouldn't want to live in America.

    Thats an insult to obese people + you can't compare..

    Obese people (in extreme cases) are fat and unhealthy..
    Skinny people (in extreme cases) are really thin and unhealthy..

    Its almost the same if you look at it that way.. whatever the case you're in a very bad condition..

    Who says i don't have sympathy for them ? I've donated money, clothes, toys etc. since i was 6.

    But isn't it normal for me to be more "worried" about some people burning my nations' flag ?

    I didn't say condemning..
    Example :
    You're walking in a 95% white country (and you live here)
    You see a black man
    Isn't it normal to look at him diffrently ?
    Thats not being racist, is it ?
    Because, if you see someone with a massive tattoo on his back, then you're going to look too right ?

    hmm.. i won't comment on such a lame quote.

    Btw, all of you who are saying stuff like, rather burning flags then blowing people up and stuff..

    well, yes, indeed, that would be a great solution, but they already kill / blow up people..
     
  4. dementia

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    alot of people still wish they could come to america actually... american and the UK are the two most desired countries to live in...

    and no, an obese person can work it off, they can live longer (as their body processes their fat) when not having the ability to eat for extended periods of time, they can take pills and can become healthier, they can throw up to lose weight, or get liposuction (and most obese people have the kind of money to do this stuff or the capabilities of getting ahold of it), most people who are unnaturally thin and unhealthy dont have the benefit of being able to put back on weight and take the pills to get their system working again because they dont have the resources to do so... most of them (not all, but most) who are unnaturally thin dont have the money to pay for pills, or the extra food, or doctors... (people with anorexia and bolemia are a different story, yes).

    im saying you bickering about something as little as a material object that is mass produced, i mean, i could see this as being an extremely bad thing if persay there was the origional flag of the united states with 50 stars (whoever made it and when, i dont know, i am horrible at history). im just saying you can put up such an argument for something so menial... you think the starving people would care if their countries flag was burning? no, they are looking out for themselves, semi-selfish, not really... id look out for myself too if it meant life or death... you can just relate more towards someone burning your nations flag than you can relate to dirt farmers or w/e lol

    and i dont look at blacks wrong... i dont look at people with tattoos wrong... im only 17 and i have a tattoo and 7 felonies and im friends with most the people i meet... i dont ever judge a book by its cover until i get to know that person individually... if anything there may be one type of person i judge off the bat... that would be like a 15 y/o girl who is 8 months pregnant kind of thing.

    also, people in america burn flags and i havnt seen most of them blow up anything outside flags or do hate crimes, but yes, a select few thousand/hundred thousand people who are extremists in a religion blow up stuff... yes, but dont blame the religion, blame the person who is taking those actions (which is why i hate how some people will just blatantly say that muslims are bad people... it doesnt directly say that blowing yourself up is the way to heaven, its a sacrifice that is not required, but greatly respected, and its rarely self sacrifice that is required).
     
  5. Solid Snake

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    i guess it would go under freedom of speech
    unless it they are threaating this nation
     
  6. beatsta

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    So with all the issues facing America there debating over the right to burn flags? It's a flag, a piece of material with pretty paterns on it.
     
  7. meda

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    America is like heaven to alot of people around the world... mainly because u get oppurtunities here while in socialist country's u don't get any choices in your life..
     
  8. Twerp

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    Do you people not read what other's wrote?

    America has been a part of many wars. And with it, many soldiers have died. They fought for their country and died for it. But they also fought for the rights of the country.
    (For example: In Britain in the 1700's, you couldn't say, "DOWN WITH THE KING". You would be accused of treason. Now, in America, you can as it is accepted as freedom of speech.)

    OMG, READ WHAT I SAID ABOVE. IT IS ALREADY DECIDED IN TEXAS V. JOHNSON!!! If this law is somehow (i really doubt it) passed, then it will be immediately destroyed by the Supreme Court reaffirming its' earlier position on flag burning (its legal to burn the flag).


    Edit: Here's a link to the case. It is a simplified version.

    Texas v. Johnson

    Also, you can use google.
     
  9. xlink

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    most obese peopel are that way because they are, quite frankly lazy.

    Genetically, endomorphs are predisposed towards greater fat gains. They are also most easily capable of putting on a lot of muscle.

    here are links to figures who have endomorph characteristics:
    huge calfes, large shoulders and hips, large bones, big bone structure
    http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/p.../superman-6.gif
    http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-hulk.jpg


    don't beleive me, check it yourself
    http://bodybuildingpro.com/bodytypeinformation.html


    anyone fat just doesn't work hard in atleast 99% of cases and it's their fault. All the real men are endos. And this is coming from someone who is a slim ecto... look at their definition of mesomorph though on wikipedia. way off, mesomorph is average, I have mroe of a vshape than most endo i know...
     
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    Hmm?
    Your post makes little sense, are you saying its becoming legal or illegal to burn the flag? Either way, it's only the US flag, I think its nice if we can all burn your flag. :D
     
  11. longhornfreak

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    id say it should be aloud, well at least for this reason, when flags are ripped, torn or touched the ground, you are supposed to go somewhere and veterns burn it,

    but i dont like it when people from other countries come here and just say like ---- america and burn the flag, they should get the ---- out and learn some respect
     
  12. Cloacal.Kiss

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    I never said I was FOR flag burning. I was just adding to the thread.

    don't be ignorant. :/
     
  13. Sniper001

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    In my opinion it matters what you are burning it for. Yes, it is the proper disposal of the flag if it touches the ground or gets worn out... the proper thing to do is burn it out of honour and respect by taking it to the nearest National Guard base or reserve.

    If you are burning it to show hate towards a place, that's wrong.. shows lack of respect for another country. It also shows you are immature and you need to do better things with your time. There are millions of people who fought in wars for that flag, theres a symbollic meaning behind it. I'm Canadian, I find it disgusting to know people actually do that. Freedom of speech? There has to be an extent, there is limits to everything.
     
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    It's protected by the the First Amendment, so I support the right to burn the flag. I don't agree with someone burning it in protest, especially to push somebody's agenda. It's disrespectful. I do not agree with somebody burning it at a soldier (who died protecting said protester's right to do so, by the way)'s funeral to push said protester's agenda. Have some decency. Whether you agree with a war is not the issue. The issue is that it is a funeral, not a place to push your anti-war agenda.

    The proper disposal thing: yes, it is proper. However, don't just say "hey, I want to get rid of a flag. Let's go light s--- on fire!" That is where you go wrong. It is a solemn event, not something for your enjoyment. Saying that is just ignorant. BFTP is correct. It's recommended to bring it to your local National Guard base.

    Long story short: people have died for that flag. People have died to protect your right to burn it in protest. People have died to protect all that the flag stands for. You are spitting on men and women better than any of us. They have done more in their lives for you than you may ever know.
     
  15. Λtreyu

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    Burning a flag is like burning a picture. A picture of a nation that houses, feeds, clothes and protects you. Of course you CAN burn it, but it's only making you (the burner) resemble that of a disabled three-year-old.

    Personally I don't buy into all this crap about 'soldiers dying for your freedom'. They died because they were doing their job. Not in the past 60 years has the U.S. been in a war that actually threatened our freedom/existance. Beleive me, I have the up-most respect for the men and women in the armed forces...but they aren't heros. They are serving in our military, doing their job.

    But back on track, of course you can burn the flag. But it never gets your point across and it just makes the situation worse.
     

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