I go as Agnostic tho. However, one of my biggest hates in the world is religion.. not necasarrily a god, but religion...idc if theres a god, i trust if there is one, he will accept me in heaven, then we can chill up there for eternity.. if there isnt, then I got maggots to chill with I suppose.. but I also enjoy learning about religion... [snapback]2633051[/snapback][/quote] Same Its seems to me, that religion is WAR. Im agnostic also, i dont beleive in any religions but do believe that there is a higher being out there. I am especiallly against christianity and the spread of it, not to offend anyone but they are hypocrits who judge and will strip people of there past and culture to convert them.
Same Its seems to me, that religion is WAR. Im agnostic also, i dont beleive in any religions but do believe that there is a higher being out there. I am especiallly against christianity and the spread of it, not to offend anyone but they are hypocrits who judge and will strip people of there past and culture to convert them. [snapback]2633280[/snapback][/quote] I 100% agree on that.. If I offend anyone however, I dont care.. xP, j.p and I dont know if there's a higher being out there. How should I know? I only think its possible because of the religions that brainwash you into believing, ex catholic/chritianity.
lol you wont make good conversation for the maggots, seeing as you will be dead aha, I'd like to belive that there is a God but so much sh*t has happend to me and how good people that have done nowt wrong get a all the crap, so as far far as Karma is concernt that a load of crap too lol Ive been meaning to read the bible and the quran (sp?) and other "bibles" i think the use of religeon is to set rules sort of "scare tactics" you know like if you steal you wont get in, lol mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i hate people that try convince people that there are gods, and Jahova's witnesses (sp?) dont sell me your religeon. #jf#jd#dj#oj#ovjvs#v#dv#kx# ni (spazz moment)
There is nothing in this article that even remotely builds on an already weak arguement for the proof of the existence of God. So what if it happens to be genome expert who has for his own reason has come to believe in some higher being. Interestingly he clothes himself in theistic evolution to explain our existence...how convenent Im sure that will have the fundementalists howling in protest
I 100% agree on that.. If I offend anyone however, I dont care.. xP, j.p and I dont know if there's a higher being out there. How should I know? I only think its possible because of the religions that brainwash you into believing, ex catholic/chritianity. [snapback]2633428[/snapback][/quote] you say you dont care if there is a god but if we find him we want us to show him to you?
That was a very interesting article, it reminded me of something I read off of another forum about Albert Einstein. Sorry if this is considered topic-hijacking, I just thought it contributes more to Einstein's perspective ^_^ An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.He asks one of his new students to stand and..... Prof: So you believe in God? Student: Absolutely, sir. Prof: Is God good? Student: Sure. Prof: Is God all-powerful? Student : Yes. Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.) Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good? Student :Yes. Prof: Is Satan good? Student : No. Prof: Where does Satan come from? Student : From...God... Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world? Student :Yes. Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct? Student : Yes. Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.) Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they? Student :Yes, sir. Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.) Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God? Student : No, sir. Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? Student : No, sir. Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelled your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter? Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't. Prof: Yet you still believe in Him? Student : Yes. Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Student : Nothing. I only have my faith. Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has. Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat? Prof: Yes. Student : And is there such a thing as cold? Prof: Yes. Student : No sir. There isn't. (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.) Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.) Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness? Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness? Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing liight.... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you? Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man? Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed. Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how? Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey? Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do. Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.) Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.) Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.) Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelled it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.) Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son. Student : That is it, sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive. That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN.....
Was not. Albert was a satanist dumbass.. either way, god is bull----...so doesnt matter to me xD I agree oon the scare tactics thing...thats kind how i think they use the devil.. and I agree...hate the damn jehova's.
Source that it was Albert Einstein? (Something credible please) I have heard that story said in joke form so I really doubt that it was Einstein who did that. In the "story", it talks about faith. So I guess I'll try and relate it to my argument. You can't have faith on the internet. I have seen too many scams, tricks, illusions, lies, etc. on the internet for me to have no trust in the things on it. There was that supposedly new "ipod" article on the internet where a kid just made it on photoshop. Plus, on the internet, it is so easy to copy and paste something and just say that you made it. It takes no effort at all to claim that stuff came from you. I guess since everyone else is sharing their beliefs, I might as well. I don't believe in god. I don't believe in anything. I'm okay with other people having their belief in whatever religion they want. But I am not okay when they force opinion's to their side. I am sick of hearing their rants on their religion. I'm tired of hearing people quote the bible, giving me religious advice, and just overall preaching. I hate how their religion teaches them forgiveness, yet I am more forgiving than they. That really says something to me. Basically, religion to me is just guidelines. It gives you commandments or whatever. I'm just tired of having too many rules on how to live my life. I just want to live life freely, happily. Carpe Diem. I'll obey societies laws, but I won't obey laws handed down to the human race by some higher being. And also, I respect people's beliefs in religion and I am asking them to respect my belief in no religion. That's all I ask for.
Well like I said, I had copied this story from a thread from another forum (just a minor detail the person who posted it there got it from yet another forum). So I didn't have the source at hand. So la dee da, did some research, when I say some I say I wasn't going to waste a lot of time looking for a source, but anyway...most of the sites that had anything to do with the story had a link to this site. http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp (If you don't want to read it basically it disproves the theory of Albert Einstein being the "student") In my short quest to find a source that supported Einstein as being that student, all I found were links to people's Myspace's with the story claiming it's true, and other forums where people had posted the story as being true. So nothing really concrete, but I'm not sure if I kept digging if I would've found anything anyway. I'll make something clear right now, never in my first post in this thread did I claim the story was true, this wasn't some subtle way to make everyone who read it "see the light." I thought it was interesting, and contributed more, but now I see that it's very likely this is just a false chain-mail. For that I will apologize, I probably should have realized it was too generic of an anecdote to be true ^_^ Twerp, I respect your choice of no religion. ^_^ On a side-note again, sorry for posting that story, I should've just stuck with the original post, I still think it's an interesting story although pretty much blown out of the water for authenticity, and also, the snopes link, also kind of interesting :lol:
