Amd - Which One?

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  1. .DeFuZioN

    .DeFuZioN Well-Known Member

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    no amd beats encoding aswell in the dual cores.

    Get an x2. dont bother with an FX. I dont see why people say they are for gaming when clearly having an unlocked multiplier signifies its an overclockers cpu.
     
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    Get the best you can affoed and that your motherboarcd can handle, theres some cheap and good ones out there. Ebuyer.com.
     
  3. xlink

    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    those chips have almost the same core architecture as the athlons, not the P4s.

    FYI, it's more like 1% than 20%. AMD still has the performance lead rght now by a ton, Intel's core duo(which uses the yonah, conroe and moerom cores) currently only goes to 2.1 Ghz while the athlons go to 2.6Ghz and use more efficient(and cheaper) DDR400 ram as opposed to DDR2667 ram used in the Cores.


    FYI, the core duos have been out since latedecember/early january.
    http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648


    Conroe is out late Q2(june) if I am not misteken, though it's almost impossible tog et a core duo at this time due to a shortfal in supply, plus the athlons are cheaper. If the rumors are right, I could get a 2.4 Ghz core duo for 300$ in june this year, I'll likel be getting one unless the 4600 or the 4800 comes down in price a bit.

    a look at gaming in specific...
    http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showd...spx?i=2648&p=11

    parusa, if you hav never used both a P4 (and lord knows you, nor anyone here, ever used a core duo on windows) and an athlon you shouldn't make recomendations without links to reliable benchmarks. Then again cmoing from the guy saying IE is better than firefox and that a 9800 costs only 180 when it's down to like 100...


    price range for proc:

    160-170
    A64 3200+

    300
    X2 3800+ or opteron 165(if you plan on OCing)

    400-500
    x2 4200+ or opteron170 or x2 4400+

    600+
    x2 4600+ or 4800+ or opteron175

    1000$
    aFX 60
     
  4. PS3Talk

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    ^^That's what I was wondering. I thought dual-core processors are good with encoding.
     
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    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    dual core procs are good for multi-threaded encoding, but with Intel's pentium Ds, there is a bandwidth deficit. To explain how netburst works in short I will give you an anology-

    non netburst releases it's data more or less at a constant rate and the FSB or HTT of a proc is more or less sufficient to let all this data pass at about 400mhz and at 800mhz there is little diference. more or less this data which you can think of sand needs to pass through a funnel.

    net burst releases a ----load of data in burst. a P4 needs around a ghz of bandwidth in the FSB to capacitate it all. The opening in the "funnel" is nowhere near large enough and it take slonger for it to be executed.



    with dual core procs, the theoetical bandwidth needs are doubled, meaning you would need to double the FSB or HTT and the rams speedto realize the full benifit of it. since we won't be having ram at 1ghz to go to 2ghz in dual channel for quite some time, netburst is mroe or less doomed in a multicore enviroment as it's bandwidth hungry nature catches up to it. This will become even mroe true as more coresd are added and bandwidth needs increase. While at this time using DDR2 800 or 667 in dual is a performance hindrance(due to increased latencies and little advantage from increased bandwidth) as compared to using single channel DDR400, in the future when quad and 8 core procs are out bandwidth needs WILL be higher than they curently are.


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    for choosing a proc, what are your needs and budget though?
    soley gaming and nto giving a damn about anything else you might want to go single core, for general use and gaming dual core is a lot nice(makes gaming nicer as well since you don't need to close othe applications) will you be overclocking? in that case, you will probably want an opteron due to their multipliers being unlocked. and again, what is your budget?
     
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    I've a 2ghz sempron :) and I can play any games all on high settings with no lag at all.
    so yay for me?
     
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    You can save alot of money by going with a opteron 165 and just overclock it to FX-60 speeds.
     
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    OMG how many times has this subject been tossed around lol...
    Ok AMD is by far better than Intel on a Clock for clock basis, remember its not just raw clocks its how the commands are handled by the CPU, its all about the architechture and pipelines.
    Anyways Duel-core may not be in use in the main stream market but its being used in 3d Animation studios and many content creation related applications. See its because games and software are not designed to work with duel-core yet but soon games and software will take advantage of this feature one example is the new Morrowind: Oblivion game it will take advantage and use every ounce of your duel-core processor ^_^
    The new AMD FX-60 generates barely any heat compared to the insane amounts its Intel rival generate...
    If I were to upgrade now id get Duel-core as I cant multi-task better, so just think of its as a second core to take care of the background apps while you game or do whatever with the other half ^_^
    So indeed duel core does have its benefits dont forget that a small difference in power will give you a barely noticable improvement when gaming say you get a 5FPS boost what good is that when you get 60+ FPS anyway?
     
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    not video encoding... not by a ton though...

    so umm, who pirates and needs to encode a few TB of video anyway?


    FYI parusa, do me a favor

    read this
    http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Mar/...30319019189.htm

    then read any of these
    http://www.google.com/search?hs=O8C&hl=en&...+P4&btnG=Search
    why the ---- do you think a 2.4Ghz P4 outperforms a 3.0Ghz celeron D in a lot of cases?


    this is another interesting one too:
    http://www.reed-electronics.com/electronic...le/CA56285.html

    sound kinda similar to the present?
     
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    Uhh, ownt?

    Yea, don't talk until you know what you are doing. POST YOUR BUDGET ALREADY MAN!
     
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    Still talking to my mom on this one. I have $520 in my pocket at the moment, but she still has to put in her share of the computer money. Not sure how much I will be getting, I will post a new thread when I get the final on the budget.
     
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    Thanks for that little tidbit of info. Made me think i chose right with intel, since I'm a hige multi-tasker
     
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    xlink GR's Tech Enthusiast

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    a better comparison would be:

    Pentium eXtreme Edition:
    for running 10 or more extensive programs at once and not giving a damn about running just one or two extensive things

    Athlon X2
    for gaming and keeping your computer cooler for less$
    if you only see running a game, photoshop, and maybe something like 2 or 3 Instant messengers, this is the way to go.

    Pentium D:
    does not multitask as well as an athlon X2 due to a lack of hyperthreading.

    Pentium 4: does not multitask as well as a PD due to a lack of an extra core.


    Core Duo(conroe core):
    best multitasker out there, essentially an athlon X2 with hyperthreading when it comes to multitasking. There is about a 1% performance gap between the athlon X2s on floating point operations though.


    EE, what did you get, because there is a significant diference, an X2 3800+ will out multitask an P4 even the EEs, and it out multitasks any Pentium D, but the PXEs multitask just slightly better - at just over three times the cost.
     
  14. .DeFuZioN

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    The x2s are good for multithreading.
     

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