There is only one way to prove what is real and what isnt real in any form of religion. First off, lemme state that the definition of religion (in a summarized, non-plaguerized version) is, "a belief believed in masses". This means that a large number of people believe one particular thing, that is a "religion". If I were to form a big group (i dont know exactly what a "mass" would be considered) that believed there was no gravity, that is a religion, whether it is true or not, its still a religion. Another thing I want you to think about are the wise and very contriversial words of Karl Marx, "Religion is the opiate of the masses." In case you do not know what "opiate" is, this is the definition, "Something that dulls the senses and induces relaxation or torpor." Meaning it induces (give you) a feeling of happiness. Now I will go back to my origional post. There is only one way to prove any religion is true, and that is to compare it with another masses beliefs and with their religion/historical scripts. There isnt a single organized religion (religions such as muslim, judaism, christian, satanist, pagan, wiccan, buddhist, etc.) that is proven true. Honestly, you cant believe a single person or groups beliefs as they will always be one-sided, much like prejudice people. The only way to truly know what happened in the past is to look at in all ways, shapes and forms. Its like being friends with a lot of prejudice people. Most of them havnt even experienced the things they are prejudice against. Racists, for instance, how many white adult racists do you think have really ever spent time around blacks? Not very many of them, the most they could have done is spent it around a small group of them that gave the rest of the population a bad name. Also, bring up the concept of Marilyn Manson in a church devotion. They will either 1) ignore your, or 2) question you and your faith. What I am saying is the only way to truly know what to believe is to look at the story from all angles. I have studied many religions and I put all of their beliefs together and I find the most reasonable medium out of all of them. I have looked into and experienced everything possible in the religions aside from what happens when I fully "devote" myself to one particular one. Your beliefs should be your own. You should look for things you really and truly and absolutely believe. Dont believe a convoluted story brought to you by one prejudice group of people. A christian wont bring you the beliefs of satanists, as they are prejudice against satanists. If you read both of their holy books you could easily see that christians and satanists are not THAT far apart in their beliefs. Yes, they are very different, but a satanist book is basically the bible with words that are mixed up and a slightly different interpretation of events. Another example of what I am saying is how to tell where an earthquake origionated from. You cant use a single quake center to determine the distance from the station without knowing the strength, which is also not possible to know without multiple stations judgements. Normally 3 stations together can pinpoint exactly where an earthquake origionated and the strength of the earthquake. Another thing I will ask you guys not to say is this, "<insert religion name>s are not prejudice." Every single church, christian gathering, religious gathering I have ever attended has been prejudice. Christians most of all. As soon as I mention the words that I once practiced satanism, they all try to pin me into being a bad person without even hearing my complete story. Uttering the words "satanist" or "satanism" is like mentioning Hitler to jewish people. You get the same response. It is a human trait that you defend what makes you happy, whether it be proven true or not. As .Apex said above, religion only truly causes wars. For the exact reason I mentioned above. You are willing to defend what makes you happy. Most people fall into christianity since they believe that saying, "I'm sorry, please forgive me." and they get to heaven, or w/e they interpret to be their holy place. If they can believe something that doesnt require a direct change in their current life, its obvious to take the easy way out and follow that one particular thing above all else. Look at the above where I mentioned Marilyn Manson. That is a form of music, yet it is frowned upon by christians. Christians dont ask you to change? I think not. Basically, by this belief about christians, if i listened to Marilyn Manson before I became christian and continued listening to him after I became a christian that would make me a bad christian. Hopefully I gave you something to think about in my statement.
I mentioned "opiate" aka "opium" above, that has a characteristic that provides hallucinations. Its evident the entire world was high on opium seeds and heroin thousands of years ago.
coming from a guy who practically had porn for an avi. also, you realize that I didn't direct that towards you. Anyone who can deny the existence of something which they cannot prove to be non-existent is in fact a fool. Another point to ponder is why you would ask something with the sole purpose of pissing others off.
nope religion does not cause war even with out religion you would still have idoits killing people. i'm a christian and believe in god, and i think alot about who actully wrote the bible, i think some parts of it are very stupid, well the first part is with adam and eve, it just really doesnt add up at all. i also think sometimes that the bible was maybe twisted, to make laws, and to socialies people, teach people norm and morays of sociaty. also this is a very instresting link, it is very instresting. http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl1.htm thanks for reading.
right now what i am wondering is that they say God is very forgiving but will he forgive gay and lesbian ppl? i mean they say they will go to hell but if they live a good life helping ppl will they go to heaven????
Yes God would forgive gay people, He would forgive everyone if they just asked him, Jesus loves you no matter what you have done, if you ask him into your life and turly ask for forgivness then he would forgive you. As for the topic sometimes people put out fleeces I think that is what they are called, if you have read the Bible you have of course read the story of Gideon, he laid out the fleece of a lamb asking God to show him if it was truly his voice speaking to him. God can also show us signs like that, pray and ask Him to help your belief grow stronger, also, find a good strong Church and start going if you haven't already, talk to a youth pastor if you are a young adult or the pastor about this. Also about the other religons if i am right you mentioned something about not if budism is right well, the God has given us his word, and budism is really different than christianity, read what the Bible has to say, that is the only thing we should be looking into for the answers. As for the little bit about eveloution that was being discussed, how can you explain all the missing links in the fossil record? To this day, not one trainsitional fossil has been found and proven. Nobody has manage to prove that evloution is real. Also what about the space dust they found on the moon? It was supposed to prove eveloution because they said that it would be several feet thick, meaning that it had collected for millions of years, but on the moon they only found a few inches. What about the footprint of humans, and the footprints of dinosaurs walking side by side? There are way to many things left unanswered about eveloution.
exactly what id expect from a closed minded christian, he is a prime example of what I said above. "LOOK TO THE BIBLE FOR ANSWERS, ITS ALL TRUE!" NEWS FLASH! Not everyone believes your religion and their isnt enough proof to prove your right. Yes, I will give you the facts, most (meaning over 50%) of the things stated in the bible have proof amongst other religions or from historical documents. Tell me, since you brought up buddhists, what do you know about the religion of buddhism? Buddhism is more of a practice than a religion. They dont really pray to a "God", they ask Buddha for assistance in their choices tho. Buddhists are basically the belief of "do unto others as you would want them to do unto you". They meditate for self-consciousness. Meditation is a way of releasing stress. You cant even compare busshists and christians as they really have NO similarities. While I am at it, tell me what you know about other religions if your so god damned sure about your "God" and that your in the right place. What do you know about the following religions? Buddhist Mormons Jewish Satanist Pagan Wiccan Agnosticism Aethiest Muslims I can guarentee 100% that for 1) I know more about it than you, 2) you know those muslims you christians/catholics/etc. hate so much? yeah... your more alike than you think and finally 3) if you cant have an open minded discussion about religion, stay the ---- out of the thread and keep your dumbass christian ethics to yourself. I can almost 100% guarentee that you havnt even researched another religion until I questioned you about them (being right now) before you selected your religion to be christian. Lemme guess, your parents basically brainwashed you from an early age to be a christian. Do me a favor, before you reply, be sure you know what your talking about and have an open mind about religion, not that stupid ---- like, "my religion is true and yours isnt", especially because you have given no proof that you even understand anything outside popular christian beliefs. Wanna know another reason why christianity is such a prodominant force in the US? Most of the US is wealthy. They have it easy. Take a travel to Bangledesh and you tell me why its harder for them to be christian. I mean, we are already the most powerful country in the world, why not go ahead and make our life easier and just have to pray. We are lazy slobs in the US. Know why other religions are practiced heavily in other countries? They are poor, they understand what working to redeem yourself is, they cant believe that everyone is equal in the eyes of this "God" you speak of. If they are equal, they sure as hell arent treated that way. Whether you be Ghandi or a serial killer, if you pray, "Dear God, I ask for forgiveness for my sins. Amen." you are redeemed? Please... Also, when you reply with what you know of other religions, dont use things like, "satanists are the opposite of christians". To be honest, satanists have more in common with christians than you think. Hell the muslim faith basically is christianity brought to an extreme. They read the same scriptures in different words, it just pushes christianity to an extreme. Its basically the KKKs beliefs (which they ARE christians, they read the bible, its how you interpret it that is the main factor) published and then exagerrated. Another thing, the same things applies for christian beliefs that you say about evolution. Yes, it is true evolution isnt 100% complete, that is where the attribute of faith comes into play. The main difference between the two and why most christians believe in evolution or a scientific approach to the christian faith is because of this: science relies on facts, not faith or opinions. Evolution has by far more attributes to prove it true than christianity does, therefore requires less faith. Even if you believe your "lord and savior, Christ almighty" died on the cross for your sins and such, christians still admit that the theory of evolution is moreso correct and by far easier to believe than that of christian beliefs that everything just appeared basically out of no where. Like the entire universe was rendered in C4D or Bryce or something (just to add some humor to the subject). And yes, before you even mention it, I am being extremely hypocritical right now. I am basically forcing my beliefs (which are study things to know whats actually true) onto you. A religion should be just that... what you believe. The reason why people classify themselves as christian is for this reason: they believe Jesus was the son of god and died for our sins. The other stuff is optional to believe in to belong in the christian faith. Say that the energizer bunny created god and he created the earth, doesnt really make a difference if you still believe "Christ" (Jesus, son of "God", etc.) died for everyones sins so that we can live in "Heaven". Atleast thats how it is to most christians. They cant even put up a decent fight. They just believe Jesus lived and he sacrificed himself... for us.
Stop talking in quotes. Jesus never quoted to try to get converts. We shouldn't talk in it to try to convince people or strengthen people's faith either. There is no way to proove whether it's real or not. It's what you believe. Intelligent Design is that God created everything and he programmed everything to evolve. Thus proving evolution and creation correct. People didn't write things down during Jesus' time becuase everyone that was alive witnessed it. When he came back three days after his death, people thought he'd come back again. After a lot of people were starting to die who knew him and saw everything and stories were getting distorted, they decided to write stuff down. Hence the gospels of today. Jesus told us everything God wanted us to know: ALL that is necessary to get into heaven. Nothing else. If you want to know anything else let me know. I have religion as a subject in school, I should know some stuff about faith and religion.
all i know is God has pulled through for me so far, one of my friends was killing herself and all i could do was pray, her mom didn't believe me when i called, so i started praying like..alot...and one of her friends was calling her cuz she was bored...and when her mom came in she had the rope around her neck, but she didn't hang herself....so i believe in him for sure
i read through the entire post and u have analyzed this very well dude, well actually chrisitans believe that God was made by himself first, then he made the universe, theeen he made the earth...... yea religion has lots of questions to it but like u said, u need to believe, have faith cuz in the bible people were healed because of faith so if we put it into a sentance when we die, if we believe we will go to heaven. BUT athiests will go to hell, thats what i heard... this is where this leads me to my next question, is there really a hell??? or is this just an idle threat to be good???? i mean he forgives everyone soo what would happen then? everyone would go to heaven? and also i have heard that archeologists have found the "shroud of terran" which is the robe that jesus wore when he died or was suffering. SO there is definately a Jesus. I'm not saying that christianity is the real religion, all im saying is that they have found some evidence of jesus which fits most religions..... its really kool that we have actual evidence! OH and in future posts RESPECT OTHER PPLS RELGIONS!
im not quoting jesus, im making it known that im skeptical about "god" and "heaven". Something you didnt learn in your :religion" class must have been that quotes arent only the reflection of someones sayings. Also, intellegent design is not category of something god made, its a category if scientific christianity. Meaning this was a design by scientists in an attempt to prove christianity (which still hasnt been accomplished). Jesus wanted you to think that saying, "im sorry, i was wrong" would get you into heaven. I never once said Jesus quoted to get converts. Im saying current, modern-day christians try to prove other religions false, when if they have an open mind (rather than that closed minded, one way thought process), they are unsure about their own religion and often end up dropping it all together. Also, I am not trying to convert people to my beliefs, thats exactly what I am fighting against. Im telling people to take a step back and open your minds to other possibilities rather than limit yourself. You cant know the truth when you only look at one story. Merged Post: There are no beliefs without faith. Think about it like this, when you go to hit your microwave "start" button, you expect it to work right? Thats faith. IMO there is no heaven or hell. As far as I am concerned you lay in the ground and rot... no ka or chi or soul or inner-force comes out of you and goes to heaven or hell. If anything I believe there is ONE place you go to after death. When you come, you have to take a class or a system of trials to atone for your mortal sins and those who did good in life, have shorter trials and those who did bad in life, have longer trials. In the end you end up with the same, permenant mentality as everyone else, in the same place.
^^I didn't read the post, I read the first page and then saw long posts and scanned the long ones. Saw quotes and stuff. Thought it was quoting stuff from the bible or something. The religion I had has only been an intruduction and know we're learning about the history, which is why I said I only knew a little. I might have had Intelligent Design and Divine Intervention mixed up. I'm still a little confused about what your post meant but I do remember last year learning about the theory I said, whether it was called Intelligent Design, Divine Intervention, or something else. Also, I never had the highest of grades in that class either.
lol, thank you for your honesty and i know a lot of people dont like reading long posts like that, so no harm, no foul
I like the last statement that you made, but one thing I would add is Jesus was also resurrected.....For us.
