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evermotion
09-23-2005, 10:25 AM
Ok. Honesty I'm tired of going to a forum and I see people take a background and just slap a random render on it. You take no time and you don't put anything into it, no time creativity nothing.

Stop reading your stupid fricking good-tutorial tuts and use your imagination. Watch the good designers, I watched g24, syn, and chem.

Your never gonna get any better if you just slap ---- together.

I know some of you don't care, you do it in your 10 spare minutes of time each day, but for the people that want to get better, try what I did.

-------

I stopped looking at all tutorials! Don't do them! I stopped trying to COPY other peoples designs.

I then looked at what makes there sigs so good. The simplicity yet the style that they have. Not just random fractal brushing.

I then asked for advice from different designers I respect. And got their opinions on my work.


-------

Over the course of 1 week. I went from here.

This random fractal ----. With glow text.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/killzone_august_05.jpg


To this.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg




That's my .02
If you don't like it. Nego rep me. Flame my pm box.

Or if you found this useful.
rep or creds :wub:


--brian

UV Moose
09-23-2005, 10:33 AM
Good job man, I hope people actually read this, it has some good info

dinges
09-23-2005, 10:35 AM
great sig, hope people will read it, why would I flame at you?

evermotion
09-23-2005, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by dinges@Sep 23 2005, 02:35 PM
great sig, hope people will read it, why would I flame at you?
people can be evil -_-

Gnuen
09-23-2005, 10:39 AM
yeh this can actually be good for ppl. NEVER do fractal and slap a render on it :P. nice, good job.

evermotion
09-23-2005, 11:11 AM
Bump. I think a mod should pin this... <3 modz/

JoeBum14
09-23-2005, 11:12 AM
This is good. People should read this. .:BUMP:.

UV Graphix
09-23-2005, 11:27 AM
I hate fractual brushes they suck to me.and i put time and effort in all my sigs but i now what ur talkin about good post.

evermotion
09-23-2005, 12:58 PM
People. If your gonna view the damb thread atleast comment on it.

--brian

-Verve-
09-23-2005, 01:02 PM
Meh, you watched g24 but he just got banned for ripping.

Good points though.

Also, if you want to get good..STOP USING DOWNLOADED BRUSHES DAMMIT!

Make everything your own.

evermotion
09-23-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by .VeRVE.@Sep 23 2005, 05:02 PM
Meh, you watched g24 but he just got banned for ripping.

Good points though.

Also, if you want to get good..STOP USING DOWNLOADED BRUSHES DAMMIT!

Make everything your own.
Yeh, I was just on nsl. And saw that he ripped that one piece.

He went from kewl sig guy.

To sorry half ass ripper. Bah. Most of his sigs were just filter + smudge anyhow.

-Reaper
09-23-2005, 01:36 PM
Lol, it's pretty nice, could be helpful.

-Retaliate
09-23-2005, 01:46 PM
too bad G24 ripped eh

Kure
09-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Very nice improvement there motion.

..I can't believe I used to look-up to a ripper. :rolleyes:

Psychodesignz
09-23-2005, 04:27 PM
Peepz should read this gj evermotion for pointing it out

s t a t i c
09-23-2005, 04:38 PM
Its funny cuz its true :P

hahahhaha G24 got bant, garuntee you that wasnt his first time ripping.

evermotion
09-23-2005, 05:08 PM
Now that I look at the picture.
The site had tuts. So I believe it was ok for g24 to use the image.

s t a t i c
09-23-2005, 05:10 PM
Okay, but, him not admitting it makes it worse, I wouldn't say anything if he would just come out and say, yes I used parts of the image, instead he just denies it, when its pretty clear that he did use parts of the image.

evermotion
09-23-2005, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by s t a t i c@Sep 23 2005, 09:10 PM
Okay, but, him not admitting it makes it worse, I wouldn't say anything if he would just come out and say, yes I used parts of the image, instead he just denies it, when its pretty clear that he did use parts of the image.
He said he did already.

s t a t i c
09-23-2005, 05:15 PM
Please link to where he said that, because so far all I have seen is him saying that he used it as an insperation.

evermotion
09-23-2005, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by s t a t i c@Sep 23 2005, 09:15 PM
Please link to where he said that, because so far all I have seen is him saying that he used it as an insperation.
I talked to him on msn.

Anyhow lets not turn this into a what did g24 do thread.

blakout
09-23-2005, 11:23 PM
this is so true...and i back u 100%>..but some ppl like me aren't very creative :(
great sig btw

Sympozium
09-23-2005, 11:32 PM
I get what your trying to say, but...any examples? Tutorials?

evermotion
09-23-2005, 11:32 PM
rawr. . . . . . .

UV Graphix
09-23-2005, 11:37 PM
what sig did g24 rip

Youngblood
09-23-2005, 11:47 PM
well n one ever taught me so that's why I don't know how to make good sigs

EddieD
09-23-2005, 11:57 PM
Um, this won't help anyone. You're just stating the obvious of what everyone hears. It goes one ear and out the ear...figuratively.

Oh, and how did you make that sig? It was a tutorial buddy, maybe not written but i'm sure that some other designers gave you techniques. You don't just pull random ---- like that completely out of your ass.

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 12:04 AM
Tha whole dont use dl brushes thing is stupid.

&#923;treyu
09-24-2005, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Gnuen@Sep 23 2005, 02:39 PM
yeh this can actually be good for ppl. NEVER do fractal and slap a render on it :P. nice, good job.
----, don't even do fractal sigs to begin with....

and about g24, it doesn't matter if the image wasn't copywrited. He ripped...unless he had permision, which i doubt. Ripping doesn't matter if its copywrited.

And- this didn't really help any one...more like just put them down. Write a tut if you feel this fed up. Don't just call them loosers.

evermotion
09-24-2005, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by EddieD@Sep 24 2005, 03:57 AM
Um, this won't help anyone. You're just stating the obvious of what everyone hears. It goes one ear and out the ear...figuratively.

Oh, and how did you make that sig? It was a tutorial buddy, maybe not written but i'm sure that some other designers gave you techniques. You don't just pull random ---- like that completely out of your ass.
It helped me plenty. Maybe if people wanted to learn, it would help them to.

I never took one tut. I don't remember any designers giving me any help. Other than their comments.

And if by me pulling random ---- out of my ass. You mean that you are offended? I can see you would be offended seeming you just took a random mcnabb render and fractaled it. Get your facts straight.

--brian

Rufio
09-24-2005, 12:44 AM
i agree with everything you said


that sig that you posted looks like a shrunken abstract wallpaper and some small ass text though

evermotion
09-24-2005, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by White Boy@Sep 24 2005, 04:44 AM
i agree with everything you said


that sig that you posted looks like a shrunken abstract wallpaper and some small ass text though
Nah. The g24 one had like 1 stock in it. And I don't think you can see it.

--brian

Khromosone
09-24-2005, 12:47 AM
And this makes us better how?

Your just ranting that everyone copies each other and slaps sigs together...

shortfusewar
09-24-2005, 12:48 AM
wow one week i gotta try what you did man! youre not pissing me right? you did go from that in one week right? nice advice tho

Woody
09-24-2005, 12:49 AM
This is what I've been trying to get across to everyone.

The words Originality and Innovation arn't practised enough.

You've warranted my respect, Whether you want it or not.

_Arctic_
09-24-2005, 12:51 AM
This is trying to help people with sense..a sig is not a DL'ed brush pack slapped on a canvas with a render...

A sig Is using creative and personal Ideas to create a SIGNATURE. Often the word is forgotten when designing small peices. It is Your Signature, what people will see, what you want people to remember. Of course, often do we change it, but that still does not negate the word and idea behind it.

On G24, he didn't rip. he duplicated a few parts of an image, says he did it, and the site even provides the image to help practice..

shortfusewar
09-24-2005, 12:59 AM
yea but also some the "experts" are ignorant asses and wont help so :/

_Arctic_
09-24-2005, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by shortfusewar@Sep 24 2005, 04:59 AM
yea but also some the "experts" are ignorant asses and wont help so :/
Then don't go to the experts. I'm a fairly good designer and I'd help anyone, just PM me or MSN me, IDC. My doors are open if I'm on.

.:EdG3:.
09-24-2005, 01:02 AM
i read it and now im tired
but good stuf still

thenextgreatbigman
09-24-2005, 01:10 AM
yeah it's true, i got my first brushes/tuts about a month after i got photoshop(i used to cropp everything myself too), i learned most of the stuff myself, now i just look at some tuts and take 1 maybe 2 steps out of it and play with it.
ohh and i got photoshop for 2 months now (you can call me a noob if you want, i don't give a ----)

evermotion
09-24-2005, 01:44 AM
You can talk to g24. He classed one of my threads on nsl.

I'm glad some of you crasp this thread, and saw the reasoning behind it.

--brian

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 02:08 AM
Using tut is a good way to strat but what i do is take things i never did before out of that tut and add it to things i already do....i hardly ever use the whole tut in a sig.

Icex2
09-24-2005, 02:11 AM
Someone else told everyone that and I believed what he said. Same goes for you too. :)

Umm... does making your own text count too? I don't know how to make brushes and texts. >.<

So we find out ourselves how to do them too?

_Arctic_
09-24-2005, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Icex2@Sep 24 2005, 06:11 AM
Someone else told everyone that and I believed what he said. Same goes for you too. :)

Umm... does making your own text count too? I don't know how to make brushes and texts. >.<

So we find out ourselves how to do them too?
In all honesty its easier to learn defaults than it is to make custom bushes....and just use default fonts unless you need a specaial one...the only artist I know that pulls off DLed fonts great is Flipn0tic...and he uses grunge fonts...

-Verve-
09-24-2005, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Graphix@Sep 23 2005, 10:04 PM
Tha whole dont use dl brushes thing is stupid.
No, its called actual skill and it makes you a lot better as a designer.

Its not stupid, get your own work and stop using others. <_<

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 03:02 AM
alot of ppl that are good designers use dl brushes.........i make my own brushes but i also have dl ones too doesnt mean that im not a good designer or dont have any skill........ive sed time like a million times its not tha brushes its what u do with them if u do the same exact thing that everyone else does or do exactly what the tut says then ur gonna look noobish.....because your sig looks like 1000 others on a site so dont blame the brushes blame the ppl who use them wrong.

Youngblood
09-24-2005, 09:10 AM
they make brushes so you can have choices

CrX
09-24-2005, 09:38 AM
I agree wholeheartedly wif u..
It suxs to be ppl wif the same sig design all the time :o
Ppl shld their own style of making sigs otherwise they will nvr succeed..

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 09:55 AM
Finally someone agrees with me.

evermotion
09-24-2005, 10:24 AM
About the brushes thing. I have about 100 different photohop 7 brushes. And even though I don't use them. If I wanted to I wouldn't make my own. Why waste the time making your own brushes when you have people like metal-cx and others that make amazing brushes?

--brian

I m p o s s i b l e
09-24-2005, 11:35 AM
Dude, you have no idea how badly i wanna learn how to make a sig like this
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg

-Pumas
09-24-2005, 11:36 AM
Perfect. That is exactly what we all need.

-Verve-
09-24-2005, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Graphix@Sep 24 2005, 01:02 AM
alot of ppl that are good designers use dl brushes.........i make my own brushes but i also have dl ones too doesnt mean that im not a good designer or dont have any skill........ive sed time like a million times its not tha brushes its what u do with them if u do the same exact thing that everyone else does or do exactly what the tut says then ur gonna look noobish.....because your sig looks like 1000 others on a site so dont blame the brushes blame the ppl who use them wrong.
Almost every good designer I know doesnt use downloaded brushes. Defaults and making everything yourself is the way to go. I dont care what you say, if you actually used them you would be ten times better than you are now.

I just don't like people using others work and calling it a sig. Its a lot more challenging to make your own stuff from scratch then clicking a few times and calling it a sig.

:P

evermotion
09-24-2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by I m p o s s i b l e@Sep 24 2005, 03:35 PM
Dude, you have no idea how badly i wanna learn how to make a sig like this
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg
It's by far my best sig. I still love it. :)

Praestantia
09-24-2005, 11:44 AM
dun forget to add the resizing of wallpapers.
many of ur gr heros do this.

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 11:47 AM
Hey if u dont like theres nuthin i ca say about that but that doesnt mean that they any less of a designer for using them...I also use defaults too.

Praestantia
09-24-2005, 11:50 AM
dood brushes are for fago queers.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9702/pharrellcopy6jl.png

both made using defaults. now u tell me wats more apealing grunge or that

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 11:58 AM
Your titled to your own but that doesnt mean its right call me a "faggo queer" doesnt matter i make what i like using what i like im not tryin to offend anyone but thats how i feel.....and since thats how u feel about dl brushes then make a tut on how to do other things and make a sig using defaults dont just say dl brushes are gay cuz thats not helping anyone and thats what this forum is for to help ppl get better or are you here just to bash on ppl.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Shenmue/LastRound.jpg
DL brushes^^^^^^

elusive
09-24-2005, 12:07 PM
personally if you wanna get good at gfx and take it serious sigs are worthless. Sigs mean nothing. Sigs are good for detail and thats about all I can say. If you are looking to get good at detail then stay at it. If not go on to large pieces. Thats what I think about it.

Nice work you really did improve quick. Great job

Neto
09-24-2005, 01:49 PM
AMEN BROTHER

ive been workin with PS for a while but i dont make all that many sigs, esp not anymore. i hvae trouble finding inspiration

Praestantia
09-24-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Graphix@Sep 24 2005, 11:58 AM
Your titled to your own but that doesnt mean its right call me a "faggo queer" doesnt matter i make what i like using what i like im not tryin to offend anyone but thats how i feel.....and since thats how u feel about dl brushes then make a tut on how to do other things and make a sig using defaults dont just say dl brushes are gay cuz thats not helping anyone and thats what this forum is for to help ppl get better or are you here just to bash on ppl.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Shenmue/LastRound.jpg
DL brushes^^^^^^
tuts are for fago queers. i have 4 month doing gfx and i still havent used a tut except 1 that faded made. seriously ill make teh tut then

MechaZero
09-24-2005, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by evermotion@Sep 23 2005, 02:25 PM
Ok. Honesty I'm tired of going to a forum and I see people take a background and just slap a random render on it. You take no time and you don't put anything into it, no time creativity nothing.

Stop reading your stupid fricking good-tutorial tuts and use your imagination. Watch the good designers, I watched g24, syn, and chem.

Your never gonna get any better if you just slap ---- together.

I know some of you don't care, you do it in your 10 spare minutes of time each day, but for the people that want to get better, try what I did.

-------

I stopped looking at all tutorials! Don't do them! I stopped trying to COPY other peoples designs.

I then looked at what makes there sigs so good. The simplicity yet the style that they have. Not just random fractal brushing.

I then asked for advice from different designers I respect. And got their opinions on my work.


-------

Over the course of 1 week. I went from here.

This random fractal ----. With glow text.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/killzone_august_05.jpg


To this.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg




That's my .02
If you don't like it. Nego rep me. Flame my pm box.

Or if you found this useful.
rep or creds :wub:


--brian
tis is what i did :D i hate tuts they just teach you to trendwhore ----



+rep for speakin the truth ^_^

Praestantia
09-24-2005, 02:05 PM
guys to become one of the best siggers
u can go here aswell
http://www.gamerenders.com/forum/index.php...T&f=50&t=116268 (http://www.gamerenders.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=50&t=116268)

jacobson
09-24-2005, 02:08 PM
well i dont think that u make sence cause me i look up to good desginers try to do wat they do and put the techniques i find out into my sigs in my own way:)

Sun_Fire
09-24-2005, 02:12 PM
Rite, I wun't frgtz lolz

Now that I think of it, you're kind of full of yourself.

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 02:25 PM
You can be childish and call ppl fago queers all u want but dont act like no one has ever taught u anything....Like i sed before i read tuts but i dont make my whole sig based off one tut i take bits ansd parts from it and add it to what i kno.

Sun_Fire
09-24-2005, 02:33 PM
Yeah same here, I've never based any of my sigs completely off one tut.
I use them to learn new techniques, which may become useful, later in the future.

UV Graphix
09-24-2005, 02:34 PM
I dont kno why ppl act like no one ever taught them anything.Theres nuthin wrong with tuts things get whored because ppl dont change anything in there sgi that they learned from the tut so it looks exactly like the tut but with a different render and probally a different color.

Praestantia
09-24-2005, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Graphix@Sep 24 2005, 02:34 PM
I dont kno why ppl act like no one ever taught them anything.Theres nuthin wrong with tuts things get whored because ppl dont change anything in there sgi that they learned from the tut so it looks exactly like the tut but with a different render and probally a different color.
no1s ever thought me gfx...... i learned on my own with imagination curiosity and inspiration.

Faded
09-24-2005, 03:46 PM
dblock its taught.. not thought.. lol

Kure
09-24-2005, 04:05 PM
I've never even once touched a default brush and I think I'm doing ok, if I do say so myself. :P

Like Graphix said, trends get whored when people follow popular tuts word for word. Heck, I've used tuts to help me in the past, but as things stand now I'm trying to discover a style that I can call my own.

CardinalCDXX
09-24-2005, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Verve-+Sep 24 2005, 06:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (-Verve- @ Sep 24 2005, 06:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Graphix@Sep 23 2005, 10:04 PM
Tha whole dont use dl brushes thing is stupid.
No, its called actual skill and it makes you a lot better as a designer.

Its not stupid, get your own work and stop using others. <_< [/b][/quote]
You goddamn elitist. So. Now we all have to learn to render, make brushes, create ---- out of goddamn air, just to be called acceptable. Screw you. I get the point of the thread, and the poster is damn right, but you need to realize that some people do it for fun, and if you don't like their ---- than retreat to your goddamn superior circles. Create my own brushes and fonts? are you serious?
Maybe if you really felt like helping out, you would give lessons to the best, but obviously you jsut want to make yourself look better by stating obviousness.

Praestantia
09-24-2005, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by CardinalCDXX+Sep 24 2005, 04:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CardinalCDXX @ Sep 24 2005, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Verve-@Sep 24 2005, 06:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Graphix@Sep 23 2005, 10:04 PM
Tha whole dont use dl brushes thing is stupid.
No, its called actual skill and it makes you a lot better as a designer.

Its not stupid, get your own work and stop using others. <_<
You goddamn elitist. So. Now we all have to learn to render, make brushes, create ---- out of goddamn air, just to be called acceptable. Screw you. I get the point of the thread, and the poster is damn right, but you need to realize that some people do it for fun, and if you don't like their ---- than retreat to your goddamn superior circles. Create my own brushes and fonts? are you serious?
Maybe if you really felt like helping out, you would give lessons to the best, but obviously you jsut want to make yourself look better by stating obviousness. [/b][/quote]
U GOD DAMN DUMMY :lol:

the best make their own ----.
its called independence.
and if u plan on getting "living" off photoshop u cant use other ppls brushes or they could take joo to court

evermotion
09-24-2005, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Praestantia+Sep 24 2005, 08:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Praestantia @ Sep 24 2005, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by CardinalCDXX@Sep 24 2005, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by -Verve-@Sep 24 2005, 06:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Graphix@Sep 23 2005, 10:04 PM
Tha whole dont use dl brushes thing is stupid.
No, its called actual skill and it makes you a lot better as a designer.

Its not stupid, get your own work and stop using others. <_<
You goddamn elitist. So. Now we all have to learn to render, make brushes, create ---- out of goddamn air, just to be called acceptable. Screw you. I get the point of the thread, and the poster is damn right, but you need to realize that some people do it for fun, and if you don't like their ---- than retreat to your goddamn superior circles. Create my own brushes and fonts? are you serious?
Maybe if you really felt like helping out, you would give lessons to the best, but obviously you jsut want to make yourself look better by stating obviousness.
U GOD DAMN DUMMY :lol:

the best make their own ----.
its called independence.
and if u plan on getting "living" off photoshop u cant use other ppls brushes or they could take joo to court [/b][/quote]
Maybe you didn't read what he posted. He said people do it for fun.

Obviously the best make their own stuff, because they get paid to sit infront of a screen.

Lets try not to turn this into a flame war. Please.

--brian

EcKo™
09-24-2005, 06:33 PM
Thanks.

Flame.

evermotion
09-24-2005, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by EcKo™@Sep 24 2005, 10:33 PM
Thanks.

Flame.
wtf?
...
.
...

UV Graphix
09-25-2005, 12:31 AM
U can use other ppl things if u get paid to do this thats why ppl put it up to DL so u can use them......Now u stole them or DL without there content then you could.

iSnicker
09-25-2005, 02:44 AM
cool i read over it...

Torr3sX
09-25-2005, 02:54 AM
You know for people just starting out, it wont take a week to get from grunge to the insanely good peices.

Its always good to start out with what people have done and seen succeed in a certain type of art, so that they can develop similiar techniques, and within those techniques they discover new techniques.

My suggestion: Help out anyone you can, when you do rate a signature, peice, w/e. Be sure to let them know why (if) they have a fault in the peice, that it doesnt work or why it doesnt have any originality IMHO.
So that one day it wont be so grungy in here!

evermotion
09-26-2005, 10:49 AM
I've been teaching lessons for a reasnable price.

UV Graphix
09-26-2005, 10:53 AM
What do you teach the techniques.....how much do you charge.

evermotion
09-26-2005, 10:59 AM
I started at
100 credz
then it went to 150
and now it's at around 300 for 25 minutes.

not bad for what I'll teach you in the 25min.

--brian

UV Graphix
09-26-2005, 12:11 PM
what techs do you tech.

evermotion
09-26-2005, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Graphix@Sep 26 2005, 04:11 PM
what techs do you tech.
Take this to pm. Or you can comment in my shop.

--brian

evermotion
09-26-2005, 07:50 PM
Bump meh to the top.. Read it people.

Sun_Fire
09-26-2005, 07:52 PM
If I'm satisfied I'll pay the credits.

evermotion
09-26-2005, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Sun_Fire@Sep 26 2005, 11:52 PM
If I'm satisfied I'll pay the credits.
What are you talking about?

Nemesis.
09-26-2005, 07:55 PM
so true, tsr, reaper, *Blood*, and nica are the people who helped me to get where i am. i think thats all. o and zero skill a while back.

I m p o s s i b l e
09-26-2005, 07:58 PM
meh nobody wants to help me out :(

Sun_Fire
09-26-2005, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by evermotion+Sep 26 2005, 11:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (evermotion @ Sep 26 2005, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sun_Fire@Sep 26 2005, 11:52 PM
If I'm satisfied I'll pay the credits.
What are you talking about? [/b][/quote]
I was thinking of getting those lessons.
I don't like paying for lessons and having them end up being useless, and if you have so much to give it shouldn't be a problem.

UV Graphix
09-26-2005, 11:51 PM
Yea man im with him last time i bout a tut it really didnt tech me anything so i basicly gave him my creds for nuthin.

evermotion
09-27-2005, 09:09 AM
Bump the thread.

edit: I'm not making exceptions from everyone else, they paid up front. So everyone should have to.


--brian

highfkinghT
10-03-2005, 10:31 PM
You suck ----ing donkey ass you simple ---- mother----er. Go ---- a cow.or sticka carrot up your ----ing ass. you piece of neglected old ----.

evermotion
10-03-2005, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by highfkinghT@Oct 4 2005, 02:31 AM
You suck ----ing donkey ass you simple ---- mother----er. Go ---- a cow.or sticka carrot up your ----ing ass. you piece of neglected old ----.
wat the hell...

Anti Biotik
10-03-2005, 10:34 PM
You can't get better from just looking at different sigs if you don't understand how to make them. I'd love someone to teach me that sig you showed, but noone will, everyone is "busy". So heh, they should make a tut on that style.

Comatosis
10-03-2005, 11:07 PM
To the topic creator, that's one badass avy. Assuming you made it yourself, you're one of the very few actually skilled people on this site.

And I agree....tutorials are lame as hell.

Comatosis
10-03-2005, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by CardinalCDXX+Sep 24 2005, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CardinalCDXX @ Sep 24 2005, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Verve-@Sep 24 2005, 06:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Graphix@Sep 23 2005, 10:04 PM
Tha whole dont use dl brushes thing is stupid.
No, its called actual skill and it makes you a lot better as a designer.

Its not stupid, get your own work and stop using others. <_<
You goddamn elitist. So. Now we all have to learn to render, make brushes, create ---- out of goddamn air, just to be called acceptable. Screw you. I get the point of the thread, and the poster is damn right, but you need to realize that some people do it for fun, and if you don't like their ---- than retreat to your goddamn superior circles. Create my own brushes and fonts? are you serious?
Maybe if you really felt like helping out, you would give lessons to the best, but obviously you jsut want to make yourself look better by stating obviousness. [/b][/quote]
What the ----?

Until you're able to make your own stuff from scratch, you can't call yourself a true artist. At this point you're just a person who steals others' work and manipulates it. That's not being artistic.

highfkinghT
10-04-2005, 09:39 AM
ignorant nigger eh??

thats why in your first post you sound like the most ignorant and stuck-up wanna be someone ----er Ive seen lately.

combat_Johnny
10-04-2005, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Comatosis+Oct 4 2005, 03:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Comatosis @ Oct 4 2005, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by CardinalCDXX@Sep 24 2005, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by -Verve-@Sep 24 2005, 06:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Graphix@Sep 23 2005, 10:04 PM
Tha whole dont use dl brushes thing is stupid.
No, its called actual skill and it makes you a lot better as a designer.

Its not stupid, get your own work and stop using others. <_<
You goddamn elitist. So. Now we all have to learn to render, make brushes, create ---- out of goddamn air, just to be called acceptable. Screw you. I get the point of the thread, and the poster is damn right, but you need to realize that some people do it for fun, and if you don't like their ---- than retreat to your goddamn superior circles. Create my own brushes and fonts? are you serious?
Maybe if you really felt like helping out, you would give lessons to the best, but obviously you jsut want to make yourself look better by stating obviousness.
What the ----?

Until you're able to make your own stuff from scratch, you can't call yourself a true artist. At this point you're just a person who steals others' work and manipulates it. That's not being artistic.[/b][/quote]
I don't think you understood what he was talking about. Not everyone on this site makes sigs to learn how to become a designer, most people do it for fun. The renders are here, the brushes are around, people are going to download them and get right to making something they saw because it looks like a fun thing to do.

Torr3sX
10-04-2005, 11:51 AM
Why is art all of the sudden considered bad and good? To me, i really dont care if anyone likes any of my artwork.

This is what im pulling out of this thread.. now that evermotion is good at making artwork, hes gonna forget about all the times when he used to suck, and had to be taught on how do things, and how to learn the program, and be pissed off because now hes good so what does the past time matter to him?

Stupid man, you cant learn to walk unless you learn to stand up first

UV Soaked
10-04-2005, 12:07 PM
some people are diff then others..

people have diverse styles.. such as slapping on a render.. there is nothing u can do even if your trying people choose what they want and showing off what u decided to do ect doesn't do anything for us
and your new one.. nothing matchs.. plus the render is standing out way to much.. there..did u like that?

if u really wanna get somewere quite making silly designs under 400x150 and make stuff from scratch or start vectoring or using maya or c4d..

theres some real inspiration..

Linkel
10-04-2005, 12:11 PM
Yeah, nice post. I hope people listen to you about not just slapping a render onto a fractal background. ^_^

About that big quote up there... how is downloading brushes 'stealing' other people's work? :blink:

-Ash ^_^

cheifbravo
10-04-2005, 12:15 PM
same thing i do.. my black sig? i thought up the loading screen cause no-one has ever done it before (or atleast iv never seen it) and i never read tuts... i think of my own designs and yes i have to say it takes me 10-30 mins to make a sig but it take me hours to figure out new designs to use... this should be stickied somewere...


EDIT: then i didnt know how to animate so i made a topic on another board and this one kid REALLY and i mean REALLY hit the spot.. so i dont plan on learning any animation im just going to call on my lil buddy wenever i need work done.

Torr3sX
10-04-2005, 12:27 PM
IMO: Having a buddy telling you what to do.. is the same thing as reading a tutorial..

evermotion
10-04-2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by highfkinghT@Oct 4 2005, 01:39 PM
ignorant nigger eh??

thats why in your first post you sound like the most ignorant and stuck-up wanna be someone ----er Ive seen lately.
Ok and I quote.

" ignorant and stuck-up wanna be someone F*cker"

Your an idiot.

Just get out of my thread.

UV Soaked
10-04-2005, 12:43 PM
let me make myself clear evermotion.

telling or demanding people to do or not to do makes u look like a ignorant bitch..

1. stop making designs under 400x150

2. start using other programs other then photoshop..
get knownin

3. illustrator
: illustrations are getting so well known they may be one of the popularist designs yet

4. Maya
: once when u learn that u will have a huge success

5. Cenim 4d
: its good but ads i look in magazines ect.. its not used

...

Basically..

slappping on a render basically makes u look dumb.. how about that?
make your own stuff and u will look cool even tho if it looks like ----

..there u go..something u must add.. but u haven't done anything yet like that mostly likely so u cant comprehend what im thinking..

cheers

basically this thread was made for u 2 stand out or to seem cool such as criticising people..
congrats dude.. u haven''t made yourself worthy or cool.

Poo
10-04-2005, 01:23 PM
Here's my take on this:

Some people make easy things that they use tuts or whatever for…and use dled brushes and renders…because they just want a sig, and for fun!

Anyone who makes things because they want to get better, should try to challenge themselves. If they dont know how, they can use other peoples stuff. But as you said, once they get good enough to render their own pics and make their own brushes then they should.

Some people should follow your advice, but others are fine doing other peoples stuff.

evermotion
10-04-2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by UV Soaked@Oct 4 2005, 04:43 PM
let me make myself clear evermotion.

telling or demanding people to do or not to do makes u look like a ignorant bitch..

1. stop making designs under 400x150

2. start using other programs other then photoshop..
get knownin

3. illustrator
: illustrations are getting so well known they may be one of the popularist designs yet

4. Maya
: once when u learn that u will have a huge success

5. Cenim 4d
: its good but ads i look in magazines ect.. its not used

...

Basically..

slappping on a render basically makes u look dumb.. how about that?
make your own stuff and u will look cool even tho if it looks like ----

..there u go..something u must add.. but u haven't done anything yet like that mostly likely so u cant comprehend what im thinking..

cheers

basically this thread was made for u 2 stand out or to seem cool such as criticising people..
congrats dude.. u haven''t made yourself worthy or cool.

When did I say that I want to do this for a living? I spend like 30 min a day doing graphics, if that.

If I wanted to make money I wouldn't be wasting my time on a kiddy sig site.

2nd. Get your facts straight. If I had any interest in a 3d program I would learn it. If I had any interest in maya I would learn it. But I don't. So I won't waste my time.

You say that my sigs are to small? That's fine, it's your opinion. I think they look fine. If I had a bigger screen, or flatty, it would make it a whole lot easier for me to make large scale pieces. But I don't.

And lastly you say that I made this thread to make myself look good? I find that funny, I don't think I know anyone on this forum. So why would I care what you think?

--brian

edit. I also find it fricking hilarious that you say that my sigs are to small. When you have a 300-100 cropped wallpaper in your sig.

Comatosis
10-04-2005, 01:39 PM
telling or demanding people to do or not to do makes u look like a ignorant bitch..

Look up what "ignorant" actually means before trying to use the word to insult someone.

1. stop making designs under 400x150

lmfao. So now good graphics have a size minimum?

2. start using other programs other then photoshop..
get knownin

A good artist doesn't need software to be artistic. All these sigs could theoretically be reproduced on pen and paper if someone wanted to. How artistic you are isn't determined by how many computer programs you know how to use. Software is just a means to help you express your artistry...

3. illustrator
: illustrations are getting so well known they may be one of the popularist designs yet

Point?

4. Maya
: once when u learn that u will have a huge success

5. Cenim 4d
: its good but ads i look in magazines ect.. its not used

Knowing Maya or C4D or Lighwave or 3DSmax won't determine your success if you suck ass as an artist in the first place. Just because you know what Extrudes and Bevels are doesn't mean that you'll be able to put 'em to good use....

make your own stuff and u will look cool even tho if it looks like ----

It won't necessarily look cool, but the effort will be there. If I grab a Van Gogh from the internet and just tweak the brightness and contrast, I'm sure it'll look just as good as the original Van Gogh did, but you can't really call it your work since all you did was minutely alter someone else's stuff.

highfkinghT
10-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by evermotion+Oct 4 2005, 04:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (evermotion @ Oct 4 2005, 04:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-highfkinghT@Oct 4 2005, 01:39 PM
ignorant nigger eh??

thats why in your first post you sound like the most ignorant and stuck-up wanna be someone ----er Ive seen lately.
Ok and I quote.

" ignorant and stuck-up wanna be someone F*cker"

Your an idiot.

Just get out of my thread. [/b][/quote]
You still sound like an ignorant ----er, even if you tell me to go away.

_Arctic_
10-04-2005, 06:48 PM
Oh, who's really intelligent when you you talk like a biggot and throw around racial slurs?

McFarlane
10-04-2005, 08:35 PM
Great tips, once I get the prem render section avalible for me, I'll be making much better works btw.

celicageek
10-06-2005, 08:09 PM
okay here is my 2 cents. i agree with half of what everone said. to be really proud of your work you should try and do your own thing. or add your own touch to something. alot of the people here just do it for fun. infact i think its safe to say everyone here does it for fun and because they like to, so no one should insult anyone on how they do their hobbie. as for downloaded brushes use them if you want if you dont want to dont use them. but do not handycapp yourself by saying "defaults only" on a sig you made like its harder then using dled brushes because brushing is just a small part of the work. also dont say someone has less skill because they use dled brushes because first. no one here made the defaults they are just a like a dled brush but incorped with the program. if it came from deviantart or adobe its the same thing. if anything it is something that is pre-made so its a convenice why go through the trouble to waste time when you can utilize something. and 90% of the sigs here have renders in them which again isnt your work. so to say your pro cause you used defaults but then added someone elses stock in it is ironic. same with c4d renders you can make that 3d object in ps but it is harder thenif you used c4d half the c4d renders people get from just playing around with it not because they have a clue of what they are doing. now remember before you insult me, everyone here including yourself is here because we all enjoy the same thing gfx its just for fun. SO STOP THE FLAME WARS!!!!!!!!

Syko.
10-08-2005, 09:44 AM
i disagree on one point, yes i do think u should not copy tutorials, but doing tutorialss is good for those who not know everything in ps, how else would u learn all the small things...i dont make my sigs with tuts but i DO learn techniques from tuts

oh and i totally agree with geek here above me


ohyeah, and another thing, why would u be noob when u use other ppl's render and brushes...u still need skill to USE them, yes everyone can take a render and some brushes and "slap" something together, but take a look in the "set render" sotw...LOTS of original designs, now are they all noob and sucky just because no1 actually drew the render?? u suck, all u ppl that say that using other ppls brushes/renders is for teh nubs are vein and think they pwn and like to pick on lil ppl

Zane14
10-08-2005, 10:00 AM
I don't get this. How do you get better? Just randomly press buttons on the PC?

Syko.
10-08-2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Zane14@Oct 8 2005, 02:00 PM
I don't get this. How do you get better? Just ranmdomly press buttons on the PC?
hahahaha very good point, u need a basis before y can make your own style ^^

Irrelevant
10-09-2005, 05:23 AM
good point. i would of pointed this out myself if i weren't already banned for flaming that gay jesse kid for being annoying.

anyways. i understand what ur saying but...wtf...on the second sig you posted..tis just brushing with a render slapped on it...wheres the imagination in that?

evermotion
10-10-2005, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Maiiv Raltrene@Oct 9 2005, 09:23 AM
good point. i would of pointed this out myself if i weren't already banned for flaming that gay jesse kid for being annoying.

anyways. i understand what ur saying but...wtf...on the second sig you posted..tis just brushing with a render slapped on it...wheres the imagination in that?
It's filters only. :huh:

Irrelevant
10-10-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by evermotion+Oct 10 2005, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (evermotion @ Oct 10 2005, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Maiiv Raltrene@Oct 9 2005, 09:23 AM
good point. i would of pointed this out myself if i weren't already banned for flaming that gay jesse kid for being annoying.

anyways. i understand what ur saying but...wtf...on the second sig you posted..tis just brushing with a render slapped on it...wheres the imagination in that?
It's filters only. :huh: [/b][/quote]
ah my bad.
but the sig still has no point.

it shows no direction and depicts nothing.
in my opinion a good sig is one that shows something going on.

its still just a bg with a render 'slapped' on it.

UV Soaked
10-10-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by evermotion@Sep 23 2005, 02:25 PM
Ok. Honesty I'm tired of going to a forum and I see people take a background and just slap a random render on it. You take no time and you don't put anything into it, no time creativity nothing.


u know what/.. im sick of people like u..
+ your desins are all about slapping on renders " look sat your sigs"

yep.. be more creative use yourself for a design or somethin..

evermotion
10-10-2005, 02:37 PM
UV I think you took the thread completely wrong. It wasn't to make myself look good, or to make people feel bad. It was just to show newer designers (like myself!) that there are other ways of doing things. Even though my signatures are based on a render/stock I still try to put effort into them. Which most siggers lack.

The title of the thread, and the opening paragraph were just stating a point. It was a straight forward point without the bs.

If you find it necessary to comment on a sigger who has a year less experience than you, fine. If you want to call my stuff ----, that's fine too. I could careless. It's a forum, we have play money, you won't hurt my ego. So go for it.

1badhabit
10-10-2005, 02:48 PM
Awesome point of view, its kind of funny, because its true, howd you get that bright beam effct behind your render?

Psychodesignz
10-10-2005, 02:58 PM
i think u should listen to irrel and uv cuz these two are a couple of the most experienced people at this site

no im not suckin up to them nor am i worshipping them im just trying to say that u can take there word for it that they know what there talkin bout

Master
10-10-2005, 03:40 PM
Well written. Agreed with 95% of this. :)

evermotion
10-10-2005, 04:34 PM
it's seems like there have been more good comments then bad. :)

Psychodesignz
10-10-2005, 04:47 PM
well that cuz u made a good point but u have to understand that most people here arent geniuses with ps they just enjoy makin sigz but i agree with u some people should use their imagination moer than brushes

Poo
10-10-2005, 05:10 PM
The first sig you showed was big, and the second, "better" sig was small. Probably one of the things UV Soaked was trying to say is that just making it small doesnt make it good. You made it seem like that was the case.

BTW…"sigger??" :huh:
sigger. :blink: :lol:

Point
10-10-2005, 05:56 PM
ehh...whats wrong with dl'ed brushes?

Nephthys
10-10-2005, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Point@Oct 10 2005, 01:56 PM
ehh...whats wrong with dl'ed brushes?
The thing about DL'd brushes is that it makes your work look the same as everyone else who has DL'd the same brushes.

celicageek
10-10-2005, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Nephthys+Oct 11 2005, 12:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nephthys @ Oct 11 2005, 12:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Point@Oct 10 2005, 01:56 PM
ehh...whats wrong with dl'ed brushes?
The thing about DL'd brushes is that it makes your work look the same as everyone else who has DL'd the same brushes. [/b][/quote]
thats not true, you and me and 5 other people can use not only the same brush pack but the same brush and it would all look diff

UV Graphix
10-10-2005, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Psychodesignz@Oct 10 2005, 02:47 PM
well that cuz u made a good point but u have to understand that most people here arent geniuses with ps they just enjoy makin sigz but i agree with u some people should use their imagination moer than brushes
U can use your imagintion and brushes at the same time dont blame the brushes.....

evermotion
10-11-2005, 10:43 AM
bumpet2thetop.werofl.

Mr_LeE
10-11-2005, 10:53 AM
hey, this is exactly what im talking about... the side of art is all about creativity.. and could i see an example of G24 ??

thanks

Mr_LeE :)

[-Wizard-]
10-20-2005, 03:20 PM
What's wrong with reading tutorials? That's why they're there. Teaching photoshop to yourself is very difficult.

TSR311
10-20-2005, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Wizard182@Oct 20 2005, 03:20 PM
What's wrong with reading tutorials? That's why they're there. Teaching photoshop to yourself is very difficult.
What he was trying to say was that when someone uses a tutorial, there using someone else's style.. just find your own.. you'lle be unique..

You can look to learn, if your really beginner, but other wise, take risk, make your own stlye

my two cents
~TSR

AcidGlow
10-20-2005, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Praestantia@Sep 24 2005, 03:50 PM
dood brushes are for fago queers.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9702/pharrellcopy6jl.png

both made using defaults. now u tell me wats more apealing grunge or that
Fago Queers for using brushes? Well, didn't you just say those sigs were used with default brushes? So I guess you just called the creator of those sigs a Fago Queer.. :rolleyes:

I like alot of styles. Haven't really gotten into the "black background with a few white/coloured brushing" yet but maybe in time. It doesn't mean we all have to go near that style. Some ppl may wanna master certain styles before they move on. I know I am. :)

evermotion
10-21-2005, 01:25 PM
I think my g24 was filters only :)

Syko.
10-21-2005, 01:39 PM
black or white
rap or rock
brushes or filters

cant we do one thing withuot judging and discriminating eachother???

Ecks
10-21-2005, 02:52 PM
Nope. 'tis how the world turns =/

voodoofreak101
10-21-2005, 03:32 PM
pretty sweet tips. I stopped using fractal brushes a long time ago, and I stopped using abstract brushes so often. I rarely use brushes for my sigs anymore, the only brushes I really use are the rust'n'grunge ones, cuz they are just great.

But yur right, good points and all that.

evermotion
10-23-2005, 04:08 PM
A bump to the top :)

Majin
10-24-2005, 11:03 AM
ZOMG I <3 YOU, I WANT YOUR BABIES !!!!

evermotion
10-24-2005, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Majin-Stalin@Oct 24 2005, 03:03 PM
ZOMG I <3 YOU, I WANT YOUR BABIES !!!!
ill trade you my fat kid for your skinny girl?

Concept X
10-24-2005, 11:16 AM
excellent improvement man good job i would +rep if i had my old account but i havnt got enough posts on this one soz

Comatosis
10-24-2005, 11:37 AM
People need to break away from the whole "styles" thing. It's stupid as hell, and it stifles creativity. Instead of working towards something that looks good and is innovative, everyone limits themselves to working towards abstract, grunge, tech, blah blah, and all they do in the end is come up with something that looks mediocre, given that there are already thousands of sigs before that one that are identical in concept.

Don't focus on styles, focus on art.

flipn0tic
10-24-2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Comatosis@Oct 24 2005, 11:37 AM
People need to break away from the whole "styles" thing. It's stupid as hell, and it stifles creativity. Instead of working towards something that looks good and is innovative, everyone limits themselves to working towards abstract, grunge, tech, blah blah, and all they do in the end is come up with something that looks mediocre, given that there are already thousands of sigs before that one that are identical in concept.

Don't focus on styles, focus on art.
Now that I can agree with.

-Xavier-
10-24-2005, 01:07 PM
Is there a link or something I'm missing to download the tutorial?

evermotion
10-24-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Xavier-@Oct 24 2005, 05:07 PM
Is there a link or something I'm missing to download the tutorial?
R.....O......F...........L

Swifty Boy
10-24-2005, 01:48 PM
Indeed.
......................

.Nirvana
10-24-2005, 01:52 PM
That sig is much better than your older one motion very nice and simple.

Contagion.
10-24-2005, 02:14 PM
no offense but i do all my sigs my self and i make stuff that i like and i still get flamed for "how bad" my work is but i dont care because i make stuff i want and not what other people like i could make sigs like yours no porblem but i choose not too becasue i dont like to simple as that and your sigs are nice man dont get me wrong i like them but thats just my personal experience

evermotion
10-24-2005, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Contagion.@Oct 24 2005, 06:14 PM
no offense but i do all my sigs my self and i make stuff that i like and i still get flamed for "how bad" my work is but i dont care because i make stuff i want and not what other people like i could make sigs like yours no porblem but i choose not too becasue i dont like to simple as that and your sigs are nice man dont get me wrong i like them but thats just my personal experience
oppinions are fine mate :)

-Xavier-
10-24-2005, 04:22 PM
I guess its something Im missing. All he did was state general facts. Tutorials aren't there to follow all the time - they are simply learning steps and shouldn't be followed every time.

Extatic
10-25-2005, 11:33 AM
Well said, I stopped looking at tuts latley, As i havent made a sig in ages, But i will make my first sig in 2 months today and see if i do ok :P

evermotion
10-25-2005, 11:36 AM
this threads still kickin baby.

AntonMol
10-25-2005, 11:39 AM
Yep. ur right but i think its pretty hard 2 get a good style... And only using 1 style would be boring to...

mikey gfx
10-25-2005, 11:41 AM
i really like your sigs man and i looked wat i could without brushes and i used defaults, i didnt touch a dled brush for a month or somethign now?

Comatosis
10-25-2005, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Comatosis@Oct 24 2005, 03:37 PM
People need to break away from the whole "styles" thing. It's stupid as hell, and it stifles creativity. Instead of working towards something that looks good and is innovative, everyone limits themselves to working towards abstract, grunge, tech, blah blah, and all they do in the end is come up with something that looks mediocre, given that there are already thousands of sigs before that one that are identical in concept.

Don't focus on styles, focus on art.
I'm just copying and pasting my previous response to address this post:

Yep. ur right but i think its pretty hard 2 get a good style... And only using 1 style would be boring to...

Faith.09
10-25-2005, 01:45 PM
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you suck.......





































nah j/k <3 :wub:

good typing, lol

Greasy Pete
10-26-2005, 06:24 AM
those are nice points and all, but you dont give us any idea how to do it, you jst say be creative. just that wont take yo where you need to go in Photoshop, you gotta know how to use the tools. Anybody can think of a masterpiece, but only few can paint one.

Arcana
10-26-2005, 06:26 AM
Erm, by following tutorials you're learning IE progression. You will hardly progress just ----ing around on your own.
Now cut the pretentious crap - they're only forum signatures. A retard on crack could make a good looking one if they had photoshop for a week.

But i agree with the 10 minute thing. These days people slap a few premade brushes onto a canvas, throw a render in and voila.

bjenks
10-26-2005, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by evermotion@Sep 23 2005, 02:25 PM
Ok. Honesty I'm tired of going to a forum and I see people take a background and just slap a random render on it. You take no time and you don't put anything into it, no time creativity nothing.

Stop reading your stupid fricking good-tutorial tuts and use your imagination. Watch the good designers, I watched g24, syn, and chem.

Your never gonna get any better if you just slap ---- together.

I know some of you don't care, you do it in your 10 spare minutes of time each day, but for the people that want to get better, try what I did.

-------

I stopped looking at all tutorials! Don't do them! I stopped trying to COPY other peoples designs.

I then looked at what makes there sigs so good. The simplicity yet the style that they have. Not just random fractal brushing.

I then asked for advice from different designers I respect. And got their opinions on my work.


-------

Over the course of 1 week. I went from here.

This random fractal ----. With glow text.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/killzone_august_05.jpg


To this.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg




That's my .02
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--brian
You realize you went from a sucky fractical to a Trendy smudge ish sig right?

That means that you are trying to copy everyone else. lol

I don't care what you say. The tuts are good.

Comatosis
10-26-2005, 09:43 AM
They WOULD be good if people actually learned from them. However, 99% of the time what happens is that people will reuse the same technique over and over again just because they saw it looked good in a tutorial, and they do so without digging further and experimenting on their own. Also, the tutorials themselves don't teach a whole lot except for how to apply some specific effect to a specific image. If they actually mentioned HOW and WHY the stuff turns out the way it does, people could use that information to understand how stuff works and therefore come up with their own innovative techniques and stuff, instead of just knowing that "clicking this will give you that."

RIP Rafter
10-26-2005, 10:05 AM
Awesome advice...More people definitely need to read this...

evermotion
10-26-2005, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by bjenks+Oct 26 2005, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bjenks @ Oct 26 2005, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-evermotion@Sep 23 2005, 02:25 PM
Ok. Honesty I'm tired of going to a forum and I see people take a background and just slap a random render on it. You take no time and you don't put anything into it, no time creativity nothing.

Stop reading your stupid fricking good-tutorial tuts and use your imagination. Watch the good designers, I watched g24, syn, and chem.

Your never gonna get any better if you just slap ---- together.

I know some of you don't care, you do it in your 10 spare minutes of time each day, but for the people that want to get better, try what I did.

-------

I stopped looking at all tutorials! Don't do them! I stopped trying to COPY other peoples designs.

I then looked at what makes there sigs so good. The simplicity yet the style that they have. Not just random fractal brushing.

I then asked for advice from different designers I respect. And got their opinions on my work.


-------

Over the course of 1 week. I went from here.

This random fractal ----. With glow text.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/killzone_august_05.jpg


To this.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/redlighthockey/signatures/robotag_9_12_05.jpg




That's my .02
If you don't like it. Nego rep me. Flame my pm box.

Or if you found this useful.
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--brian
You realize you went from a sucky fractical to a Trendy smudge ish sig right?

That means that you are trying to copy everyone else. lol

I don't care what you say. The tuts are good. [/b][/quote]
It was filters only bud. :blink:

evermotion
03-19-2006, 06:52 PM
This thread is the stuff.

I don't even think any of these people are around anymore.

And I just noticed this has 2,100 views which is almost as much as the forum rules!

UV Moose
03-19-2006, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by evermotion@Mar 19 2006, 06:52 PM
This thread is the stuff.

I don't even think any of these people are around anymore.

And I just noticed this has 2,100 views which is almost as much as the forum rules!
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Holy crapshake it's Evermotion :wub: Long time no see bud ^_^

Faded
03-19-2006, 07:04 PM
peopele are still posting in here :/

surGeonFFS
03-19-2006, 07:05 PM
wtf? this thread is like looking back in time. :P

neways, you didn't go from that ugly sig to a nice one in a week and you know it. good point though

evermotion
03-19-2006, 07:32 PM
hows it goin moose

Originally posted by surGeonFFS@Mar 19 2006, 11:05 PM
wtf? this thread is like looking back in time. :P

neways, you didn't go from that ugly sig* to a nice one in a week and you know it. good point though
2269986


yeh i did. this thread was forever ago. but it's still truth. :)

_Arctic_
03-19-2006, 08:03 PM
I posted on the 3rd page! Pwnt bitches!

Truechaldean
03-19-2006, 08:44 PM
Ive been doing all that.

Irrelevant
03-19-2006, 09:06 PM
quit ----ing bumping.


power to myself.

evermotion
12-21-2006, 07:23 PM
Time machine.

I just found this thread, again. I don't even think any of these people are here anymore.

Read the thread, it's interesting. And ironic at the same time.

marmylade
11-28-2007, 03:14 PM
Thanks for writing this, and yes, it's true, IGNORE TUTORIALS.

Why? Because they all say the same thing: "Steal a render, steal a background, steal a C4D, use some brushes that YOU didn't make, duplicate said stolen render 3,000 times and tell the almighty Photoshop to make some Special Ed-fects."

Very creative artwork there, buddy...

Cheap_Indian
11-28-2007, 03:31 PM
omfg, a necro-bumper. How retarded.

Btw, for anyone who is new to PSing and saw the original post for this thread, don't listen to this ------. Tuts are your friends. They give you a basis to start making art. It's your choice whether you want to copy and paste the tut's style or blend it with your own.

Haemon
11-28-2007, 03:52 PM
i get what your saying, but tuts are a good way to grasp an idea of how to do a sig differently. after about 6 months or so i would try to combine 3-4 different tuts ideas together.. some looked good and some went to crap but... its all about imagination is the key point in what you put i believe

jjfreight
11-28-2007, 04:01 PM
I never used tutorials for sigs, but there's nothing wrong with them. They would have saved me a lot of time as a beginner, and now I make some to share techniques.

D911
11-28-2007, 04:34 PM
It's only a year and a bit old, no worries...O.o

xxColtxx
11-28-2007, 04:40 PM
i read it and i think it will help me movin on :) thx man!
im new in this kinda styles the sigs got here but they are amazing me more and more!!! ^_^
and im pretty excited moving on with my work, because im not that long in this grafix-stuff!

~ Art ;
11-28-2007, 04:43 PM
Yeah I've never been one to actually read and follow tutorials, because I look at them as cheating..
If you copy someones style, you can only be second best at what you do..

After looking at a few tutorials that only have 5-6 steps to make a full signature, I was astounded that is was even considered a tag. My signatures have no less than 25 layers + adjustment layers, and take me about half an hour to an hour to complete. Some people seem to be able to make 5 in an hour. Maybe I'm the one doing it wrong, I don't know. I just everyone has a different way of doing things, and whoever reads this post might think I'm a total idiot, or they might agree with me 100%.

I guess it all comes back to, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
And that's my rant on whatever I just talked about :)

Kennedy
11-28-2007, 05:45 PM
Good job man, I hope people actually read this, it has some good info[/b]
Moose used to post on GR and was in the UV crew? OMAGAWD!

omfg, a necro-bumper. How retarded.

Btw, for anyone who is new to PSing and saw the original post for this thread, don't listen to this ------. Tuts are your friends. They give you a basis to start making art. It's your choice whether you want to copy and paste the tut's style or blend it with your own.[/b]
Win win win!!!