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DiabloDj1
09-21-2005, 05:32 PM
NVM about this..sry

I'm gonna make a computer myself instead

Just a note for myself here(was $930):
Case (* Nzxt Guardian ATX Mid-Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Black )
USB 2.0 Accessories ( Build-in USB 2.0 Ports )* *
Meter Display ( None )
Case Lighting ( Cold Cathode Neon Light Blue )
Power Supply ( Standard Case Power Supply )
Flash Media Reader/Writer ( None )* *
Processor ( [Socket-775] Intel® Pentium-4 Processor 640 [3.2GHz, 2MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, 64-Bit + HT Ready] )
Processor Cooling ( Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink )
Motherboard ( [DDR/DDR2] MSI 915P Combo-F i915 Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, USB 2.0 PCI-E MB )
Memory ( 1024 MB [512MB X2] DDR-400 PC3200 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand )
Operation System ( MS Windows XP Professional Edition w/Service Pack-2 )* *
Video Card ( [PCI-Express 16x] Nvidia Geforce 6200 with TurboCache Supporting 256MB w/DVI + TV Out Video )
Case Round Cable ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower )
IEEE-1394 Fire Wire Card ( None )* *
Hard Drive ( 120 GB HARD DRIVES [S-ATA] Western Digital 120 GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Hard Drive )
2nd Hard Drive ( None )
Raid Controller ( None )
USB Flash Drive ( None )* *
MP3 Player ( None )* *
Raid Configuration ( None )
CD/DVD Drive ( 56x CD-ROM Drive black )
TV Tuner ( None )* *
Video Camera ( None )* *
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive ( 52x32x52 CD-RW Drive Black ) -idk what these drives are for, i think burning cd's & watchin dvd's only...if it is for that then dont include it-
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Power Protection ( None )*
Headset ( None )* *
Speaker System ( 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System )
Fax Modem ( None )* *
Printer ( None )
Printer Cable ( None )
Network Card ( 10/100 Network Onboard )
Floppy Drive ( Mitsumi 1.44 MB Internal Floppy Drive Black ) -should i even get one?-
Monitor ( None )* *
Keyboard ( Logitech Elite USB/PS2 Keyboard Black )
Mouse ( None )* *
Warranty ( Warranty Service Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty )
Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) No Rush, Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )* *

.RaMBo
09-21-2005, 05:39 PM
What's your budget for your system?

-=DaRKSTaR=-
09-21-2005, 05:39 PM
What price you going for if $930 is too much i think thats reasonable in UK price at around £465

DiabloDj1
09-21-2005, 05:41 PM
well im not from UK :P

j.k...

anyway, Im gonna go *beg* my dad for a price..

he doesnt believe in spending this much money on something like a computer..but I really want to do this.

-=DaRKSTaR=-
09-21-2005, 06:09 PM
MSI 915P COMBO-F Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 915P ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $88.00

Intel Pentium 4 640 Prescott 800MHz FSB 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 EM64T Processor - Retail $215.50

OCZ 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) $109.93

GIGABYTE GV-NX66T128D Geforce 6600GT 128MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card $144.00

Creative Sound Blaster Live! 24bit 70SB041000000 Sound Card - Retail $39.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 250GB 3.5" Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM $109.50

SONY Black IDE Combo Drive Model CRX320EE/B2S - OEM $28.99

NZXT NEMESIS Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 400W Power Supply - Retail $80.00

= $815.91

My stuff come out as that - I live in Uk so duno the prices around US :(

.RaMBo
09-21-2005, 06:14 PM
Not bad -=DarkStar. Good job man. I wouldn't have choosen another system to make. Mabye just a little tweak with some parts here & there, but that's a good work with that price.

DiabloDj1
09-21-2005, 06:23 PM
Allright thanks..

my maximum is about 800 dollars by the way..

anyway, are those all from the site?

and when you do post them post the full detail one..just cuz I like to read it all..it doesnt matter that u didnt include it Darkstar, u told me all the good stuff anyway :D


EDIT: btw, how much cheaper would it be if I got all the same specs from Ibuypower but I built the computer myself.

aphex
09-22-2005, 04:06 AM
I would suggest -

AMD 3500+
6600GT
MSI Neo4-Platinum

-=DaRKSTaR=-
09-22-2005, 07:28 AM
If you can buy the parts and NOT A PC ASSEMBLED - It works out cheaper coz the company adds labour costs on top of that :D

Im going to make one myself as well gona order the parts from different sites and it works out around £530 for a good decent spec thats without monitor (monitor makes it too expensive) and I got the processor and GFX card that soari posted :D

thx for creds anyways ;)

DiabloDj1
09-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Allright thanks guys...

since I'm makin my computer..any good sites for parts that are reliable, good, and cheap other then Newegg and Tigerdirect?

btw, I read somewhere its better to get 2 sticks of 512 mb ram rather then one gig of RAM..this true?

-=DaRKSTaR=-
09-22-2005, 05:14 PM
Probably because Dual Chennel works between the 2 - If you get 2 x 1GB sticks it works together faster in other words - Might be might not be not sure but im sure that 2 sticks once the same perform better because pf dual channel

I was $15 off :D not bad when you said $800 ;)

stott
09-22-2005, 05:54 PM
yes that's true about the 2x512mb sticks of ram.

also i think you should choose amd, not intel, but that's your preference i guess

DiabloDj1
09-22-2005, 05:56 PM
I'll probly get an AMD 64 bit but idk which one yet..it seems like those are most popular..

I want a system with at least 2.7-2.8 GHz up to 3. whatever..whats the cheapest I can find something for 2.8GHz?

EDIT: and thanks for answering my other question
I'm givin ya some creds for the help.
and dont try to just help me for a few creds either..well, not if u dont know what ur talkin bout XP

DiabloDj1
09-22-2005, 07:53 PM
Hey guys, is this good for the price? It seemed good to me but I'm still learnin bout computer hardware..I never been too good with it since mine always sucked XD
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...1428460&CatId=0 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1428460&CatId=0)

Dan
09-22-2005, 08:32 PM
that looks good for the price, but you could get something twice as good for an extra $20, thats whats weird about computer hardware.

xlink
09-22-2005, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by DiabloDj1@Sep 22 2005, 12:30 PM
Allright thanks guys...

since I'm makin my computer..any good sites for parts that are reliable, good, and cheap other then Newegg and Tigerdirect?

btw, I read somewhere its better to get 2 sticks of 512 mb ram rather then one gig of RAM..this true?
it is true, DUAL CHANNEL RAM, which is composed of two sticks works twice as fast as single channel which is one stick. it effectively uses both sticks of ram at once insteed of just one and then going to the next afte the first is full.

Also, you will likely want to get an AMD socket 939 procesor, the Dual core athlons are the best PC processors on the market so you want to keep your options open for future upgrades. Most people either get Athlon 64 3500+ or Athlon 3000+(with a plan to upgrade to a dual core proc in the future)

Also, if you're ging to get an S-ATA hardrive you might as well get another and go RAID0, RAID0 works similarly to Dual channel ram, it uses both at once. just get smaller HDs to make up for the price.

DiabloDj1
09-22-2005, 09:08 PM
Allright..Two 80 GB's be ok?

Also, can I use my current HD if its S-ATA so I only have to buy one? btw..how can I find out if its S-ATA?

vanity
09-22-2005, 09:44 PM
sounds good. GOod work :)

xlink
09-22-2005, 09:46 PM
umm look at the cors on it, if it is S-ATA, then the cord will be diferent than if it were off of an IDE ribbon. It's nto a huge deal if you can't get RAID, it's not the most vital thing there is. If you can't set it up, a second hardrive is always good though, you can put al your games/heavy duty applications on it and keep them seperate from the HD with windows on it and you can also set pagefiling to it.

DiabloDj1
09-22-2005, 10:39 PM
Yea I think I am going to do that with the dual HD's..thanks for ur help man...


Allright I need your opinions guys!
Should I build my new computer or not..cuz this zelink dude is sayin i shouldnt but I think I should..
my current specs:
Intel Celeron 2.0GHz processor
512 mb's RAM
32 Mb S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR

any other info u want just ask..

stott
09-22-2005, 11:03 PM
If you're getting two 80gb drives then get the 10k rpm ones.

Otherwise just get one 200+gb with the 16mb cache

DiabloDj1
09-22-2005, 11:32 PM
Allright thanks for the input scott..

and i didnt even know there were 10k RPM ones XD

xlink
09-22-2005, 11:32 PM
I'm just saying wait a year, prices will drop like a rock for everything, it's the nature of PCs. There should be a new socket coming out for the dual core procs(A64 x2s) soon and it would be good to have the latest for upgradeability. as for getting new now, as I said on AIM, hold off if you can, OC your celeron as much as feasable, and maybe another strip of ram just for a bit of a performance kick here and now, i know that 256mb of DRR ram should be down to 20$ or so.

EDIT: as for HDs if you get two SATA hardrives and your motherboard can RAID them, they will perform at an effective 14400 speed. if you can't then pretty much any 10k hardrive will work good. even if you can't RAID0 them, two cheap small HDs work good, setting the page filing to the second HD along woth a few programs will definately help. RAID 0 with 7200 RPM hardrives works best though, unloess you are rich enough for 2 10000s in RAID0, but 100$ for a single 36gig 10000rpm hardrive doesn't seem worth it IMO

DiabloDj1
09-22-2005, 11:41 PM
My price limit is around 800 so i dont think I'll be gettin anythin too big..
and I cant get any mroe ram on this computer unless i get a 512 card cuz it only holds 2 memory slots -_-

.RaMBo
09-23-2005, 01:43 AM
Try looking for another video card for an extra $10 or $20 you might find one that would be better for a few extra dollars. By the way where do you live? Sometimes there's computer fairs or shows you can go to, to get a good deal. Also try going to http://www.mikeshardware.com for tips & additional help. Mikeshardware.com is a very reputable website with tips on how to make & take care of your PC.

Prodigy
09-23-2005, 02:05 AM
dude.............................................. .yur making a computer? :blink:

aphex
09-23-2005, 03:15 AM
Yeh you should get a new pc if your on a celeron.

The specs I mentioned will give you a good pc at your price. Dont go with a 6200 as a 6600GT will be well within your budget.

I would suggest -

AMD 3500+
6600GT
MSI Neo4-Platinum

I can give you a full specs list of what you should get if you tell me everything you need. eg. case, psu, sound card, etc.

-=DaRKSTaR=-
09-23-2005, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by z4kk@Sep 23 2005, 06:05 AM
dude.............................................. .yur making a computer? :blink:
I dont think thats gona help-lol Even im making a PC :D

well all im saying its ur money (or ur parents) do whatever you like with it - If u wana mke a PC then go for it :D Thats why u wanted advice on the parts - I kno the 6600GT which im gona get performs better than the 6200 but its a chunk out of the funds :D

All you need a is upgradeable motherboard which is good and has room for expansion - Then say in like a years time you can upgrade it again because you rmotherboard can take the parts to the next level -

Just get a GOOD motherboard and processor and memory and then work on it maybe in like a years time when the graphics card, HD, memory gets cheaper - Day by day they are getting cheaper but there comes a chance of them being phased out because ur motherboards old - If ur going for AMD 3500 go for the SKT939 motherboards :D

HD Atleast 100GB+ OR maybe 2x 80GB (7200RPM decent as well but 10,000RPM slightly on the expensive side) , GFX card up to you but 128mb decent so far , memory atleast 512MB DDR-RAM , Case - get a side window one with a side fan or maybe more , Get a PSU with like 460-500W with a fan

Well thats the basics i hope its alright :D GD LUK

Revos
09-23-2005, 01:58 PM
please whatever you do do NOT but intel it's crap.
Buy amd x2
it's much better, and with a good g card and good ram and a dual cpu u get the best comp ever...

xlink
09-23-2005, 02:27 PM
for the moment you would likely want something like this:

AMD Athlon x2 3800+ 350$
MSI K8 neo plat 120$
1gig dual channel DDR400 ram 90$
Geforce 6600 90$
PSU/case 70$
2*40gig HDs 40$ each:80

800

that would get you a good functional unit, excluding the OS, you could get a Win XP pro OEM for about 100 though, or better yet, get XP pro 64 for the same. you can reuse the OS from your current comp if you have to, same thign for the HD, but you would need to reinstal windows.


As was said, waiting will be best a 2ghz celeron can hold it's own in a lot of things, and ti should be fine for another year especially if you have 512 MB of ram or more.

The Chief
09-23-2005, 02:47 PM
yup, that would be some very nice stuff you would have there!

aphex
09-23-2005, 07:51 PM
I wouldnt bother getting a 3800, if you must get better get a 3700+. Because just a plain 6600 will not perform well so you would be better spending a little less on a processor and getting a 6600GT.
Also he would be better just getting a single 80GB harddrive rather than x2 40GB might even be a bit cheaper. You would also be better off buying a cheap say $30 case and then get an Epower Puma II powersupply.

and Epic.09 his budget doesnt allow for an x2 processor.

DiabloDj1
09-23-2005, 10:06 PM
Allright...

Since I been hearing that ALL computer parts are gonna be goin down in a year or so, I think this christmas I'll just get the Xbox 360 and in the mean time..I'll be learnin a bit more about computer hardware. Thanks for a ll the help guys.

xlink
09-23-2005, 10:18 PM
probably the smart thing to do, if you don't know the pros and cons of a part, you shouldn't be buying it. I personally am saving up for an Athlon 4400+.

as diablo, it's not just these parts that will go down in a year, it would be EVERY part. ever notice how the computers in 1997 cost $3000 and you got the following:P pro 133mhz; 64mb of EDO ram; DVD drive(2x);6gig HD;8mb graphics;125W PSU;2USB ports.

as I said, price have gone down a bit in the last few years or so.

DiabloDj1
09-24-2005, 09:23 AM
I'll see what I can do..unless I get like a 2.8 Ghz processor for now and next year, I'll have a job so I can save money for a new processor and I'll put my current on Ebay XD

Btw, I cant make my website templates with my computer cuz it freezes all the time..so this really sucks right now..
o well I'm gonna try to work on it again :D

hhmm..how is this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...487#DetailSpecs (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130487#DetailSpecs)

CardinalCDXX
09-24-2005, 07:17 PM
It's not really weird, it's the same with every other market. You just need to look around for the good stuff.